I
have stated on this blog and on my YouTube video that I use to be a student
of Shepherd's Chapel. It was commented on YouTube and posts on this blog that I
am a liar and was never a student of Shepherd's Chapel.
So here is my history:
In the late 1980's my Grandfather, a Baptist preacher for many years, stumbled across Shepherd's Chapel on his old C-band satellite dish (I was quite young at the time). As he listened and studied with Shepherd's Chapel he slowly changed his doctrines to align with the teachings of Arnold Murray. My Grandfather started sending my parents some of Shepherd's Chapel's tapes and trying to explain to us the truths that Murray was teaching. Then a few years later, when I was at about the age of 11 or 12, we started doing weekly Bible studies at my Grandfather's house. This was my first real contact with any Christian teaching. Unfortunately, by this time, my Grandfather's beliefs had changed to closely align with Shepherd's Chapel. My Dad, Mom, Brother, and I became convinced that Shepherd's Chapel was teaching the truth and we started following Arnold Murray's teachings.
A few years later, when I was about 14 or 15, my Dad purchased a C-band satellite dish (the big dish). I was able to watch Pastor Murray anytime I wanted (they have a 24-7 channel on C-band). I watched Shepherd's Chapel as much as I could for the next few years and learned most of the specifics of Murray's teachings during that time. At around the age of 18 I got one of my best friends involved with Shepherd's Chapel's teachings. We started handing out tracts, having Bible studies, and trying to spread the doctrines of Shepherd's Chapel any way we could. I was extremely passionate about my beliefs during this time and even went to three Passover meetings (annual meetings they hold usually in Branson, MO around Easter time). I was a fairly avid poster on some unofficial Shepherd's Chapel forums and tried to defend my beliefs with people on the internet (chat rooms, forums, websites, etc.).
During that time I displayed a lot of the same behavior that is common with Shepherd's Chapel students. I could be quite harsh with anybody that challenged my beliefs and I ridiculed Churches and people that I thought were deceived by Satan and his Kenites.
In
2008 I got married and tried to slowly introduce my wife to the doctrines
taught by Shepherd's Chapel. Fortunate for me she was stubborn and would not
give on much so I didn't try to push it too hard on her. I figured I would just
plant the seeds and hope for the best. Around 2009 is when I started to
have some doubts about certain doctrines (especially election) taught by Shepherd's Chapel but I
suppressed those doubts as best I could. Then the Lord blessed me with a good
job in 2010 that allowed me some time to do more Bible studies and reading. I
made a conscious effort to read the Bible without listening to Murray or
anybody; I was having some doubts and didn't want anybody influencing my
studies. I read through the Old Testament once and the New Testament several
times over the course of a year. I took Murray's advice and "checked him
out" and I found that several of his doctrines were far from
Biblical.
So here is my history:
In the late 1980's my Grandfather, a Baptist preacher for many years, stumbled across Shepherd's Chapel on his old C-band satellite dish (I was quite young at the time). As he listened and studied with Shepherd's Chapel he slowly changed his doctrines to align with the teachings of Arnold Murray. My Grandfather started sending my parents some of Shepherd's Chapel's tapes and trying to explain to us the truths that Murray was teaching. Then a few years later, when I was at about the age of 11 or 12, we started doing weekly Bible studies at my Grandfather's house. This was my first real contact with any Christian teaching. Unfortunately, by this time, my Grandfather's beliefs had changed to closely align with Shepherd's Chapel. My Dad, Mom, Brother, and I became convinced that Shepherd's Chapel was teaching the truth and we started following Arnold Murray's teachings.
A few years later, when I was about 14 or 15, my Dad purchased a C-band satellite dish (the big dish). I was able to watch Pastor Murray anytime I wanted (they have a 24-7 channel on C-band). I watched Shepherd's Chapel as much as I could for the next few years and learned most of the specifics of Murray's teachings during that time. At around the age of 18 I got one of my best friends involved with Shepherd's Chapel's teachings. We started handing out tracts, having Bible studies, and trying to spread the doctrines of Shepherd's Chapel any way we could. I was extremely passionate about my beliefs during this time and even went to three Passover meetings (annual meetings they hold usually in Branson, MO around Easter time). I was a fairly avid poster on some unofficial Shepherd's Chapel forums and tried to defend my beliefs with people on the internet (chat rooms, forums, websites, etc.).
During that time I displayed a lot of the same behavior that is common with Shepherd's Chapel students. I could be quite harsh with anybody that challenged my beliefs and I ridiculed Churches and people that I thought were deceived by Satan and his Kenites.
By February of 2011 (I was 32 at the time) I had totally rejected Shepherd's Chapel's false doctrines. That would put me at 20+ years of knowledge of their doctrines and teachings. God opened my eyes to the false teachings of Arnold Murray and I was convinced of Reformed Theology though my personal Bible studies. I am a member of a Bible believing and teaching local Church, Hanson Baptist Church (and yes, they teach verse-by-verse).
I renounce Shepherd's Chapel as a heretical cult that is outside the scope of Christianity!
Here is a list of just some of the heretical and unorthodox teachings of Shepherd's Chapel:
- They teach we existed before we were born in the flesh and there was a first earth age that we all lived in. They teach the Gap Theory. Zechariah 12:1, Isaiah 44:2 and 1 Cor. 15:46 refute preexistence of the soul and the gap theory cannot be supported with sound Hebrew exegesis. (See here and here.)
- Satan rebelled in that first earth age and God destroyed it. This destruction is known in the New Testament by the Greek word katabole. (See this post for a refutation.)
- They teach that there were a people on earth before Adam was created. These pre-adamic people are call the 6th day people and comprised different races. White people were created separately on the 8th day. However, if you read Genesis it is clear that chapter 2 is going back to describe the creation of man in chapter 1. We read in Genesis 2:4 the statement "when they were created" showing that what follows is describing the events of the previous chapter thus refuting a separate creation event. (See also here.)
- The elect where chosen because they stood against Satan in the first earth age. This is a type of justification by works and is a serious Gospel destroying heresy. The elect where chosen not based on any works but on God's sovereign and free choice (Romans 9). A simple reading of Romans 8 will show that the elect are all Christians and we were not chosen based on works performed. (See also Romans 9:16, Ephesians 2:8-10, 2nd Timothy 1:9. and my post here)
- Satan had literal sex with Eve and Cain was the offspring of Satan and Eve. This is called the Serpent Seed doctrine. A simple reading of Genesis 4:1 with refute this claim. Cain is the offspring of Adam. (See my post here and here.)
- Cain's decedents are called Kenites and they are still alive today claiming to be Jews and controlling the world behind the scenes. This is a scare tactic and breeds racism. (See this post for a refutation.)
- Kenites wrote the book of Esther. They won't teach the book of Esther on the air, you have to order the CD's from them. Why hide this teaching? Because it is a blatant denial of Holy Scripture. (Revelation 22:19, Deut. 4:2; 12:32.)
- Caucasians are the true descendants of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. There is no scriptural or historical support for this assertion. This doctrine stems from the British Israelism / Christian Identity heresy which has close ties to racist groups. Shepherd's Chapel does not out-right teach racism but many of their doctrines have stemmed from, and tend to breed, racism.
- Christians that believe in the Pre-tribulation Rapture will be deceived by the Antichrist. The Bible, to the contrary, teaches in Revelation 13:8 and Matt. 24:22 and John 10:28-29 that Christians can not be deceived by the Antichrist or his system.
- The Antichrist is Satan himself and not a man. Scripture, however, distinguishes between the man of sin and Satan in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2. Also Revelation shows the Devil as separate from the False Prophet and the Beast. (See also Daniel chapters 9-11.)
- They teach Annihilationism. In other words, the denial of eternal conscious torment in hell. Matt. 25:46, Rev. 14:9-11 and many others refute this. (See also this post for a refutation.). Note I don't consider Annihilationism damnable heresy but it causes some theological and Biblical problems.
- They are unclear as to the Trinity and teach modalism (God uses three offices not that God is three persons). I've heard Pastor Murray say "a smart man doesn't discuss the Trinity". They leave it ambiguous, but Shepherd's Chapel's teachings are clearly modalistic and thus heretical. Wrong God, wrong Gospel!
- Christians must uphold the kosher food laws. (Romans 14:17, 1st Timothy 4:3-4, Mark 7:19 refute this claim).
- We are in the end-times because in 1948 the good and bad figs returned and created the state of Israel. They claim the bad figs of Jeremiah 24 are Kenites. (See this post for a refutation). Scripture makes it clear that the last days began in the first century. Hebrews 1:1-2, Acts 2:17. In other words, the last days is the time between Christ's first advent and second advent.
- If your church doesn't teach who the Kenites are they are not a true church and don't posses the Key of David. They try to use Smyrna and Philadelphia from Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 to try and prove that, but only a false hermeneutic and presupposition would lead to such a statement. Romans 2:28-29 shows that a true Jew is a one that is inwardly a Jew, in other words a Christian. (see this post.)
- They teach there is a distinction between free will Christians and elect Christian. There is, however, no scriptural support for this position. Romans 8 and Ephesians 1 disproves this heresy. All Christians are elect and all elect are Christians. The Bible doe not teach there is a group called free-will Christians that are different from elect Christians.
Why is Shepherd's Chapel dangerous? Nowhere in Scripture does it teach that the elect where chosen in a first earth age, that a Christian gained elect status because they sided with God in that first earth age. To teach that you are elect because of something you did is heretical and against everything written in the New Testament. I have heard Pastor Murray, when teaching through Romans 8, say the elect where justified, elected and chosen because they stood with God in the first earth age. In other words the elect where justified (saved) in the first earth age because of something they did. This is essentially justification by works which the Bible strongly condemns (Ephesians 2:8-10). There is no distinction anywhere in the Bible where there are separate elect Christians apart from other Christians. All true Christians are elect, once a person realizes that simple truth the whole Shepherd's Chapel system of doctrine falls apart. That is what started my journey out of Shepherd's Chapel and I pray that if you are lost in this cult that you consider the ramifications of your doctrines. (for a more full explanation see my post here.)
Consider this: the doctrines they teach were not taught by Christ, Paul, or any of the Apostles. Their doctrines are not found in any early church writings and were never taught by the Christian church. Would God wait until some man in Arkansas almost 2000 years after Christ to reveal the truth (this is similar to what Mormons teach concerning Joseph Smith)? When the Scripture they use to support their doctrines are closely examined it shows they are clearly mishandling the Word of God. In fact their whole system of belief falls apart under close scrutiny.
Shepherd's Chapel denies the Trinity even though they may claim they don't. Like most cults they redefine terms to fit their heretical views. The simple fact is that Shepherd's Chapel does not teach that the one true and living God has eternally existed as three co-equal, co-eternal persons (for more on the Trinity see this video).
Shepherd's Chapel teaches a false gospel and false gospels cannot save! Take seriously Paul's words in Galatians 1:9: As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
I study the bible and i have watched pastor murry,and like you even said he's a pretty good teacher,but I also watch pastor prince,and a few others.this is my take on this subject,I believe we should read the word of god for ourselves and study,no one man has all the answers,I respect your opinion and if you want you can find fault in every pastor,I hope all the best to all.....lee
ReplyDeleteEvery true pastor and teacher of God's word will make some mistakes from time to time, I do grant that. The problem is that Arnold Murray is not a Christian pastor, he is teaching a completely different Gospel than the one handed down by Christ and the Apostles. This isn't nit-picking details, but is rather serious. The gospel presented by Arnold Murray is false and cannot save.
DeleteDo you have some issues with Pastor Murray or his people?? I have a basic difference with some of his conclusions, but he certainly is more correct than the mainstream churches that sell their "gospel" story. You can learn more from Pastor Murray in an hour than you can learn from bogus hirelings in a lifetime. At least he addresses real Biblical questions and answers them to the best of his ability at the time. Rather than attacking him, we should be thankful for the truth that he has shared.
DeleteI have a strong love and compassion for the people deceived by Arnold Murray because I was once just like them. That is why I warn them so strongly because I love them. Mr. Murray is a very nice guy and extremely likable but he is teaching damnable heresies, that is my issue with him. I'm not sure what you mean by "mainstream" churches but it is true that a lot of "mainline" denominations have become liberal and distort the Gospel of Christ. By the way the true Gospel is proclaimed by many churches in America although it is getting less and less. Not everything that Murray says is wrong but in the essentials he is wrong. I am not attacking Murray on a personal level only his doctrine.
DeleteSounds like your wife turned you into a Calvinist. Unconditional election? limited atonement?? irresistible Grace???. Talk about false teaching! get out of that Man.
DeleteII Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"
DeleteArnold Murray was just a man. His ministry will fall by the wayside and die with him. This unnatural devotion to him and his ideas is sign it is a cult. I have watched prophecies given by Murray fail in the eighties over and over again. Hus interpretation of the etchings on that Bat Creek stone tells me he doesn't know how to read any Hebrew much less Paleo Hebrew or as he calls it Phalio Hebrew. Lol I would say he doesn't really know how to use a concordance either. He says Rapture isn't in the Bible and yet he turns around and says that those who believe in it will be Raptured away by the Antichrist. Double talk if you ask me. He doesn't believe in the resurrection of the dead as following in Christ's footsteps. Apostle Paul was clear when arguing with the Sadducees he believed in it. Everything Murray teached I disagreed with. He sounds like he is teaching Mormon and Scientology. The worst part is on top of everything he sounds like a whie supremacists. I would say this, why not question his doctrine? Doesn't the Bible tell us to do just that? Try the spirits to see whether they be of God. Stay away from strange doctrine. God is not the author of confusion. Why does anyone listen to these people?
DeleteCheck this guy out he was just a man. Put your trust in no man.
Pastor Murray will Not be forgotten and his teachings live on. His delivery was unique as most people Of The Cloth. He touched my life many years ago. He has tought me more than all the Christian private boarding schools ever could. He brought me close to Our Father. He constantly said to read God's Word for yourself. SC is not a cult. That's rediculous. Many of you seem like you're just enjoying bashing someone who dedicated most of his life to teaching God's Word as he believed. He was Very Educated in his field. He is no longer here and yet mean-spirited people still enjoy trying to discredit and disgrace him. That only makes you look petty and childish. He spread the Word as God instructs Christians. I hope you are not judged so harsh as you have Pastor Murray. May God have mercy on you children as I would not. What a pity you all seem.
DeleteHello Bree, thank you for your comment! I just want you to know I am not trying to be mean-spirited. I am doing what the Apostle Paul commanded us Christians to do. That is, call out false teachers. Arnold Murray was a very nice man, but he taught damnable heresies. I have documented those heresies in this post and many other posts I have on this site.
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Deletelets try it again. I have read the 1st argument you are giving regarding pre-existing souls. I just read all 3 scriptures you mention: Zechariah 12:1, Isaiah 44:2 and 1 Cor. 15:46. Neither one back up the statement that refute pre-existence of the soul. It mention that God created us but Arnold never preached different on that. It is one thing to disagree with someone but what the way you did (formulated it is wrong). Arnold Murray has not done anything that diserve the poison that comes out of your statement.
DeleteI believe this is the answer of our beloved now-deceased teacher to you. Follow the link:https://shepherdschapel.com/answers-to-the-critics/
DeleteShame on you for makeing a judgment only God can do. I think you got some good teaching and decided you knew a better way. Remind you of anyone?
DeleteWhat Bible did you say Arnold murry was teaching from? The Bible Murray uses is the same one everyone I know usescomposed of biblical scholars from Angelicans, Assemblies of God,Baptist,Methodist, Nazarene,Presbyterian, Lutheral, Mennonite. What did you say Murray was using? What are you using?
DeleteYou never studied with the Shepherds chapel, liar .
ReplyDeleteYou say you understand the Bible , and quote what the Chapel teaches, ( The Bible ). but you never post the scripture for those subjects, because you NEVER studied with the chapel. Or, your the laziest Bible student.
I have actually studied the Bible that, Shep Chap teaches. So I can see your a liar.
I can see your lies coming 666 miles away.
And now everybody gets to see just how vile and un-Christian SC students can be. I have posted scripture to refute SC and I have not said a single lie. You are the one that has not provided any scripture to prove SC's false doctrines. I do this out of Love and I will pray for your salvation Truth teller. May the Lord open your eyes and lead you out of the cult of Murray.
DeleteActually you don't sound very loving. You seem angry and condescending. Not a nice picture!
DeleteSometimes it is easy to misinterpret what somebody is saying on the internet because you cannot sense the emotions like you can in speaking face to face. I assure you I am not angry other then frustrated and saddened by so many being led astray and into the pit by the false doctrines taught by Arnold Murray. I am warning you and other because I love you and do not wish to see any of you perish in your sins. It was Truth Teller that has resorted to name-calling and calling me a liar without providing any proof. He had resorted to name-calling instead of dealing with the text of Scripture. I will pray the Lord will open his and your mind and you will see your errors before it is too late and you have to stand before a Holy and Just God.
DeleteI see untruths with this website also, Truth Teller. Pastor Murray does teach the Trinity. This I know as fact because I have studied with him and the chapel for over 9 years. Murray was a wonderful teacher, and he never bashed another preacher or organization by name, something Colby you could learn from him. Reading from the KJV..chapter by chapter...verse by verse..we learned many truths...hard to be conned when God's Word is right in front of you. Murray was a wonderful man of God. He did not cast stones....he let them fall they may. He preached of repentance....and against sin. I am now more closer to my Father than I have ever been. There was only one perfect man, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. There is no living man or religion that has a whole truth...maybe parts...but not a whole. Be wise and don't cast stones, it does your witness no good. And don't worry about my salvation....I love my Lord, and strive to be the best child I can be...asking my Father for forgiveness for those times when I do go astray. What a loving Father we have!
DeleteHello Debra, Murray may use the name Trinity but if you study and listen to how he describes it, it is pure modalistic. He does not teach 3 co-existent, co-eternal persons of God. I am not bashing Murray, nor do I encourage anybody to bash any person or belief. I am simply doing what Jesus and the apostles did and commanded us to do, call out a false prophet when we see one. I have been to many churches and listened to many preachers that teach verse-by-verse and none would fall for the errors that Murray has come up with. It is easy to twist scripture even in a verse-by-verse format. He misuses the Greek and reinterprets scripture to fit his preconceived ideas that have no Biblical basis. Simple fact is Murray teaches that you earned your election in a former age. that Heresy plain and simple.
DeleteThanks for declaring the truth.I am so happy He brought you out from among them! Stand strong brother! God of the bible is on your side. :)
DeleteTruth teller. you're right on the point.
DeleteShepard's chapel does teach about the Trinity.. He didn't say the elect were here the first earth age. He said the dinosaurs were. He have never said there is two different types of God's elect. He always say we the ones who seek the truth are the elect. I don't believe you were paying attention when you studied with Arnold Murray
DeleteOr maybe You don't have the eyes to see or the ears to hear.
hello Child of Light and thank you for your comment! Shepherd's Chapel teaching on the nature of God is modalistic not Trinitarian. Listen to Shepherd's Chapel study on the elect and Genesis 1-6 you will see that he teaches that we were all in the first earth age. It seems you are not paying attention. Murray teaches that before this earth age came into being we were all in spirit bodies in the first earth age.
DeleteHe does teach the trinity. But uses the correct word the God Head. and that after the second coming it will go back to the God Head. The bible tells us Jesus sets at Gods right hand. Figuratively speaking Jesus was his right hand on earth bc he made himself into flesh so we could look upon him. And bc flesh doesnt live forever he then gave us the Holy Spirit/Holy Bible. Until we are all turned into spiritual bodies. Why is the trinity such a fight. Its soooo simple. Do people really think flesh and a physical book are going to be chilling in heaven. Umm no. Bc we will finally be able see God. No more sunglasses to look at the sun!! It comes full circle he is the Father Spirit Son. In one God Head!!
DeleteHe does teach the trinity. But uses the correct word the God Head. and that after the second coming it will go back to the God Head. The bible tells us Jesus sets at Gods right hand. Figuratively speaking Jesus was his right hand on earth bc he made himself into flesh so we could look upon him. And bc flesh doesnt live forever he then gave us the Holy Spirit/Holy Bible. Until we are all turned into spiritual bodies. Why is the trinity such a fight. Its soooo simple. Do people really think flesh and a physical book are going to be chilling in heaven. Umm no. Bc we will finally be able see God. No more sunglasses to look at the sun!! It comes full circle he is the Father Spirit Son. In one God Head!!
DeleteI have been studying with Pastor Murray and can refute all of your hateful rhetoric. My God someday give you eyes to see and ears to hear. You are in my prayers
ReplyDeleteI'm just exposing the false teaching of Arnold Murray. I don't see how it is "hateful rhetoric" but I have not intended to be hateful in anyway. I apologize if you have taken it that way. If you can refute what I say please do. If you don't want to use a public forum then please email me and we can discuss this. colby.braden@outlook.com
DeleteColby, there are more who are with you than against you. I also have recognized the heretical teachings of SC. Thank you for taking a stand for Christ and his true church. It is obvious that those who are against you are deceived. I also understand that it is easy to be deceived by him because of his seemingly apparent bible knowledge and confidence. I urge all listeners to find a local reformed theology teaching church and learn the truth.
DeleteSo, what do you say to those who insist SC is a cult, their doctrine is NOT Christian because Pastor Murray doesn't agree with THEIR interpretation of God's Word that, according to them, tells us there will be a pre-tribulation rapture? For that reason, they dismiss ALL his teachings as wrong. I'm not sure if you do or do not believe in the rapture, but if you don't, then, according to them, you are deceived and ignorant. Kinda sounds like you guys, huh? There has only been one PERFECT flesh man who knows all, understands all and is always right, and he hasn't walked this earth for over 2000 yrs. Because someone's honest interpretation of some of what's in the Bible is not the same as yours does not make them deceitful or ignorant or evil or a cult or outside God's plan ...not unless you're willing to admit that about yourselves to those who believe the same about you. Your unwavering self-proclaimed insistence of, "I have discerned the truth, YOU have been deceived, I am right, YOU are wrong, I have wisdom, YOU have ignorance" IS judgement and NOT the kind that Jesus instructs. When we study God's Word, alone, in a congregation, with a Pastor, a teacher, a scholar, a friend, family member....ANYONE...we must ALL ask The Father for discernment and wisdom that only He can give, discernment about the teachings, the teachers and our own understanding. He knows before he sends us teachers that they won't always get everything right, but He sends them, imperfect as they are, to do their best, expecting us to do our part, and ALL OF US trusting that He will do the rest. You are blind to your self righteous, condescending attitudes, and, again, I say, "Shame on you!"
DeleteGreeting Katr! I’m trying to understand your post as best I can so please bear with me. I am not saying SC is a cult because they don’t teach pre-trib rapture. I myself do not believe in the pre-trib rapture. I believe in Amillennial post-trib rapture. But Murray’s interpretations are far from honest. It is obvious he knew very little about how Greek and Hebrew grammar functioned. Not every single thing Murray taught was wrong but what he was wrong about is very serious heresy (justification by works, serpent seed, denial of the Trinity, etc.). His unorthodox and heretical teaching that no one in the early church or thought history since the time of Jesus every taught is why I call Shepherd’s Chapel a Cult. Your allegation that I said : , "I have discerned the truth, YOU have been deceived, I am right, YOU are wrong, I have wisdom, YOU have ignorance" is false. I never said those words.. but that is how the Students of Shepherd’s Chapel usually speak down to others that disagree with them. Again I follow Paul’s command in 1st Cor. 5:12. I am judging Arnold Murray, Dennis Murray and Shepherd’s Chapel based on what Paul, Peter, Jesus and all the writers of Holy Scripture have to say. I am not nit-picking over eschatological views or non-essential doctrines. Shepherd’s Chapel teaches heresy and it is the duty of Christians to call out false prophets.
DeleteFirst off, judge not , that ye be not Judged, for we will be Judged as we judge , see Matthew 7:1-2. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 the. 5:21. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only. James 1:22. For precept must be upon precept , precept upon precept , line upon line here a little there a little. Isaiah 28:10. Ask , and it shall be given to you , seek , and ye shall find ; knock , and it shall be opened unto you. Matthew 7:7 , also like 11:10..... All I'm saying is prove all things take no man's word , seek with you heart and ye shall find, for those who truly seek God's word it will be given in Gods time. And we shall Love one another , and judge not.
DeleteThey are teaching false doctrines straight from Hell. Unfortunately these are not the only false Christians that are leading others astray. Christ knows his sheep and his sheep knows Christs voice.
ReplyDeletehey mr rethinker all i can say, is have a good trip.
ReplyDeleteI am trying to help an older friend with getting her 'bible study' from SC since the local cable company stopped carrying their show. I contacted them for assistance. I will say this. There was so much sarcasm and inconsideration that I sensed a spirit of hate. They are very unforgiving for even ignorance of their viewers. They have a very outdated website and rebuke anyone who makes it easier for these older people to view, like on youtube. Of course, I discovered they are no longer on youtube because they aren't allowed back on there. She is brainwashed, otherwise I would suggest she go somewhere else for her devotions. But I will stress my concern with her. You should NEVER study with only one teacher.
ReplyDeleteOf course, I discovered they are no longer on youtube because they aren't allowed back on there
DeleteThat paints a mighty condemning picture of Shepherd's Chapel, doesn't it? The truth is, however, is that they don't want to be on youtube and have filed copyright complaints and youtube omitted many of the videos.
Your all wrong. Pastor Arnold and Dennis speak Truth. Line by line, verse by verse. The problem with many of tese "comments" s that these people do not take the scriptures back to their original sources from the Hebrew and the Greek. That is the cause of many people not understanding the full meanings of doctrine out of the English translations. for example in the KJV Rev 13:16-17 one little word IN has been revised in the NKJV to ON causing most to beLIEve that to take the mark means it's a physical action such as getting a tattoo or microchip implanted ON your forehead or ON your hand, when the true meaning is taking the mark is a spiritual act which is to say taking IN to your mind THE LIE that Christ is to come and FLY AWAY all his "saved" beLIEvers ; and of the hand, refers to the work you do which is to say ARE YOU PROPAGATING THE LIE by teaching this false doctine. The TRUE CHRIST returns upon the 7th trump and the ANTI-christ at the 6th. 6 comes before 7. duh! I am starting a BLOG of my own called FIG INFORMERS check it out as there's much much more to be said regarding the misinterpretaion of God's Word. Look, you either get it or you don't because God doesn't give everyone EYES to SEE and EARS to HEAR and He doesn't reveal HIS MYSTERY to everyone. That's what the millenium reign is for. It's God's way of separating the sheep from the goats. Shepherd's Chapel speak TRUTH. Amen and amen. Jennifer Siagian Jenny17sheep@gmail.com or malkbkny@gmail.com if you'd like me to send you my essays discussing matters such as these.
DeleteHello Jennifer. Very interesting comment. You need to check your Greek again. There is a reason why the NKJV and most other modern translations translate Revelation 13:16 as “.. ON the forehead..” instead of “.. IN the forehead..” like the KJV. It is simple, and no it isn't some conspiracy by the Kenites to deceive people. If you will take your lexicon or Strong's concordance you will see the word translated as “in” in Revelation 13:16 in the KJV is the Greek word “epi” which means upon, on, beside, ontop ect.. the word does not mean in, or inside as you suppose. The modern translations simple correctly translate the Greek word “epi” and fix the error in the KJV. Also it is apparent by your comment that you have not even read my Blog at all. I have never once defended the pre-trib rapture view. As a matter of fact I am an Amillennialist and do not believe in a Pre-trib Rapture. If you have any questions about this please contact me at colby.braden@gmail.com. God bless you and my wife and I will pray for you specifically tonight that God may open your eyes to the errors of Shepherd's Chapel.
DeleteAlso Jennifer I need to add that all Christians have received Eyes to See and Ears to Hear.. it is unbelievers that do not have the eyes to see and ears to hear. The mystery that Paul talks about is the mystery of the Gospel that the Jews at the time did not have eyes to see that Jesus was the messiah.
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According as it is written, God hath giuen them the spirit of slumber: eyes that they should not see, and eares that they should not heare vnto this day.
- AND SO IT IS> I pray for you dear brother
Hello again Jennifer! You haven't responded to my refutation of what you said earlier. BTW what is the context of Romans 11:8? If you read Romans 11 you will see it is Israel that was blinded and did not understand the coming of our Savoir Jesus Christ or that salvation was by grace though faith. It has nothing to do with being deceived by a pre-trib doctrine as you suppose.
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DeleteSounds like a lot of single verse readers and not referring to the the whole chapter to know what the subject was and what the verse pertained to. Way to many verses are taken out of context and preach about for an hour in several different ways with nothing to do with the original verse. If there is one thing I have learned from Shepherds Chappell is to read the entire chapter to know the meaning. I haven't studied with him for awhile but it brought me back to Christ and I rely on no man but the good book and what it teaches me. I am in church when I have discussions with others as I have not found a church yet that knows what they are doing. I call all the divisions in Christianity simatics,as what is in your heart and knowledge of being a Christian and true faith in Gods word will be rewarding in heaven. Not what any one man interprets. I fear no death for I do the best I can and am a true believer in all mighty God and Son Jesus. No one can take that from me but me.
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ReplyDeleteI will say this about pastor Arnold Murry, That old combat marine deffinately has something to say.
ReplyDeleteTo read what Arnold Murray teaches and his reasons for it try this website. As far as I can tell it is an almost complete complication of what Arnold has said and someone spent a great deal of time to accomplish it.
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Will I burn in Hell for studying the Bible with SC? Who will be the one to judge me, man or God? It is my prayer to stop fighting among Christians and let Jesus do the forgiving for the one that is in the wrong here. Read his word. Any "MAN" preaching God's word should pray for understanding and focus on growing his kingdom. Calling ones belief in the word of God a cult is harsh. And we all know the word about Judging.
ReplyDeleteMike, I cannot judge what is in your heart. All I can tell you is that Murray teaches a false gospel and false gospels cannot save. Jesus and the apostles 'judged' and called out false prophets and commanded us to do so. 1st Cor. 5:12 says we can judge those that are claiming to be in the church since Murray claims to be a Christian teacher Christians can Judge what he says and compare it to scripture. It is the Christian thing to do to call out false prophets.
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ReplyDeleteYou and all your ilk that teach this man is not of God must be from the Synagogue of Satan. In the book of Revelations it warns of people like you. I am glad this is the only forum you have to spread your BS. Blessed you are not. I would love to see your life under a microscope to see just what you have left in your wake.
ReplyDeleteHello Milo. Sorry you believe I am of the synagogue of satan but I am not. I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and I do as he commands and call out false prophets when I see them. I know Murray is a false prophet and I have shown that pretty well in my posts on this blog. If you have anything specific you want to debate me on or if you think you can defend Murray's teaching Biblically instead of name calling then contact me please and we will talk. It is true I have made many mistakes in my life and the Spirit of God is still Sanctifying my life but I disagree with you, I am very blessed by the Lord for he brought me out of the errors of Shepherd's Chapel and I trust in Christ alone!!
DeleteI thank you for your blog. My Grandfather fell for the SC doctrine after my Grandmother died. She was a devout Christian and Sunday school teacher. I think he wanted to fellowship because he missed her, and he fell for SC because Murray is an aging ex-marine, so in Grandpa's eyes he could do no wrong. I gently tried to explain that the church he no longer goes to would never condone the SC message, but he doesn't believe me. I don't think he ever even paid attention in Church, he went cause Grandma made him go. He doesn't know better. He believes that Murray's knowledge of Hebrew makes his word infallible. As a student of German, I tried to explain how complicated language translation is. Even my favorite German poet is translated over, and over by fluent German translators whom argue about how it should be translated into English. There is no swaying him, however, and I'm upset that he's been conned at the end of his life. Grandma would be furious at SC. She would never allow such a condescending man over the airwaves in her home. She did not tolerate mockery.
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ReplyDeleteafter reading all of the different posts, and after findin and coming to really like Mr. Murray, what I am convincened of is evil does exists, it is neither black or white, and it is wrong. Evil comes to kill steal and to destroy, and in my humble opinion that is exactly what is going on within this blog. We all have a right to our own individual opinions, however every scriptural doctrine that I have studied basically all teach the same thing and that is we are not to judge one another. Having my own opinion if I am not careful will cause me to sin and it will cause me to do exactly what I am judging someone else of doing and that is taking scripture to make it work for our own benefit. The enemy is so crafty that sometimes we are deceived without realizing it because the deception leads us to believe that Our Father actually needs our help to save His children when scripture clearly teaches He sent Jesus to do that. We sometimes become deceived when we dont realize the very Thing we claim to be doing to help one another is what Our Father wants that and if we take the time to really hear ourselves and the conversations we have been deceived into having, we would realize Our Father surely would not have us arguing with one another, about which one of us has the job to save the others.. we would have to laugh at ourselves and realize we are not being biblical and have been deceived like a theif in the night to forget what Our Father told us about works, lest no man should boast. Since I have found myself tricked and deceived by the enemy on more than one occassion I wanted to share my experiences with all of you. Because I only see the broadcast on tv and the man is alwasy sitting at a desk reading from the same bible i can follow and if i dont have my own bible he puts the words on the screen with the passages for people to look up for themselves.. the only conclusion i can give based on this experience is that he is teaching sound doctrine.. ratther his opinions are in line with Gods word are not is up to the hearer, the reader, and the doer of the scriptures and whether are not they are our sisters and brothers, because our father clearly says His sheep will hear HIS VOICE..
Greetings Patricia! Thank you very much for your post. I would like to address some things you stated. I agree with you Arnold Murray was a likable man, but he was still a false prophet. I also agree that evil does destroy, kill & steal. I agree that you have a right to your individual opinion, so do I. You are, however, wrong about the judging. It is quite proper to judge those that are claiming to be Christian, yet teaching false doctrine. Please read 1st Corinthians 5:12-13, Paul says (Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”). Jesus in Matt 7 is not telling us we can’t make judgments, but that we cannot be hypocritical in our judgments. “first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” The Bible teaches us to identify false prophets and call them out. Especially those that are mishandling the Word of God. Most false teachers use the Bible Patricia. You must “check them out” to see if they are false doctrines. That is what I have done in my posts. If you can refute what I’ve said, instead of making emotional claims, then please do. But it is very clear, and I have documented from the Bible, that Arnold Murray and Shepherd’s Chapel is teaching false doctrine. I pray the Lord opens your eyes Patricia and that you will follow the True Shepherd, Jesus Christ. Not the traditions of a man like Murray and Shepherd’s Chapel.
Deleteplease document Pastor Murray's so-called false teaching again please?
DeleteGood job - thanks for exposing this cult; please keep doing work on it.
ReplyDeleteHi - do you mind if I republish your testimony on my blog?
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Hello Timothy. You are more than welcome to republish my article as long as you give a link to my blog and don't change anything ;)
DeleteOkay, just got around to doing more work on Shepherd's Chapel I published your testimony at this link: https://shepherdschapel.wordpress.com/2015/10/28/colby-bradens-testimony-of-deliverance-from-the-chapel/
DeleteAlso, I do an internet radio broadcast and wanted to see if you'd like to expose some of this with me on air -- I'd kind of like to have something like that for them to listen to with two people refuting
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ReplyDeleteI was 28 when I found shepherd's chapel. I had been seeking real understanding for about 10 years. Having attended Baptist, Christian, and Methodist churches my whole life, do you know what I had learned about the bible in church up to that time? Very little. Primarily that God loves us all and generalized stories about Noah's ark, etc. There was contradiction and doubt in all the teachings to that time. For example, my grandfather's Baptist church said he couldn't go to heaven because he hadn't been baptised. The Catholics said the same. Yet the thief on the cross was granted entry. Why? Many churches I have attended have insisted that the earth is only 6000 year old. Just as, historically, they insisted the earth was flat and to say or attempt to prove otherwise was heresy.
ReplyDeleteArnold Murray taught me to seek the truth myself. He introduced me to study tools and taught me how to use them to seek God's truth. To find understanding for myself. Every single day, he encouraged his students to read for themselves and never take anyone else's word (including his) on what the bible says. Cults do not encourage people to think for themselves and provide the tools to do so. Whatever your purpose here, you could put your efforts to better use by teaching and giving people the tools they need to find their path to God.
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
ReplyDelete2Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.… There is a reason Abel kept the flock, fed God's people, "Pastured" "and Cain tilled the Earth, satans EARTH. Cain is NOT in adams genealogy
DeleteIf anyone is looking for a good teacher that teaches the whole Bible then listen to BBN radio at 12:30 pm eastern time (8:30 am pacific time). The late Dr. J Vernon McGee has an awesome 5 year study called the Bible Bus. There are many other awesome teachers all throughout the day. Erwin Lutzer ,Stephen Davey, Adrian Rodger's, Chuck Swindall, Joni Erickson Tada, Elizabeth Elliot, etc.Give BBN radio a try.
ReplyDeleteSo what if I believe in Jesus and seek to do his will and love God with all my heart etc.. But I also study the bible in depth on my own, Study Sc teachings, study what you are refuting, study what other teachers like the ones you listed say about specific topics that are disputed; But I dont consider myself a sc christian or this type of christian or that type.. And after all this studying I am not 100% sure about these disputed areas like serpent seed, kenites, elect etc. And I am able to see both sides of argument. But I am certain in my belief in Jesus and in the Bible etc.. I believe its true that no teacher can teach the bible without someone having a way to refute it.. its simply not written that way.. I believe truth is found in it and through the hs but there are contradictions and areas that are hard to know 100% exactly how it was or how its gonna be.. SO I BELIEVE IN JESUS AND Do his will etc.. but i know of all these different doctrines but im not totally sure about some of them. I just let it be and dont worry if Kenites are litterally here or not . I dont worry if there was a first earth age or not.. I just understand its possible and can see both sides of these arguments.. But in the main truth of Jesus I am 100% certain . Would you say because I study what murray teaches that I am decieved and part of his "cult" lol. Come on man you are way off base here.. I believe that if someone believes in Christ and studies the word under murray and if they believe everything he teaches is perfectly accurate that does not condemn them.. As long as "THE HEART IS GOOD AND WITH JESUS " that is what I think god would be looking at. Do you honestly think Almighty God would want his very few believers to be fighting over difficult and confusing doctrines? Even you yourself at one point felt what Sc taught checked out ok.. so no man is perfect or knows the exact specifics of everything. Let Sc people believe what they want. IF you feel compelled to refute specific teachings of his then do it from a place of love and as a fellow christian.. Example Hey my friends that follow x y z doctrines, I think that the bible was really saying this a b c, I used to believe it taught x y z so im not judging or trying to be mean I just wanted to show that I now see it this way and here is why.. Lets put it this way.. If you were to go back in time when you followed sc and were to read your own blog You would be upset by the way you were talking to yourself .. Its one thing to dispute certain details of the bible but I believe you would be more jesus like to do it from a place of love and compassion.. Maybe you should re examine your entire concept of what it is to be a christian? Did Jesus teach you to love or to judge and argue? Did he base making it to heaven on how one understands the old testament or specific parts of it? I dont remember Jesus talking about You must believe in the old testament these specific ways.. ? I think the key point im making is refocus on Jesus and what he taught. Read his words and then step back and decide if Jesus was concerned about how we see these diff doctrines. Yes aim for truth and wisdom but Filter everything through jesus. I STRONGLY REFUTE THAT SC IS A CULT or is decieved or is a heretic. I believe AM Taught as best he could and as deep as he could but we all fall short and are not perfect.. but AM brought the truth of Jesus which trumps everything else , to thousands of people and helped thousands find Jesus. And I believe he , you , and every other human that studies the word knows the 100% specific way everything went down and is going to go down. Except Jc . peace .. Its alot easier to just be a christian and love others and spread the word than get obsessed with these certain points you are refuting. Yes its great to study and try to understand it all but dont let that seperate you from other believers in christ.
ReplyDeleteI meant everyone that studies the bible including you me Sc people Murray and every other teacher is not able to prove with 100% certainty they know exactly how things were and are gonna be..
DeleteI meant everyone that studies the bible including you me Sc people Murray and every other teacher is not able to prove with 100% certainty they know exactly how things were and are gonna be..
DeleteWell said, bhambird43.
DeleteSo what if I believe in Jesus and seek to do his will and love God with all my heart etc.. But I also study the bible in depth on my own, Study Sc teachings, study what you are refuting, study what other teachers like the ones you listed say about specific topics that are disputed; But I dont consider myself a sc christian or this type of christian or that type.. And after all this studying I am not 100% sure about these disputed areas like serpent seed, kenites, elect etc. And I am able to see both sides of argument. But I am certain in my belief in Jesus and in the Bible etc.. I believe its true that no teacher can teach the bible without someone having a way to refute it.. its simply not written that way.. I believe truth is found in it and through the hs but there are contradictions and areas that are hard to know 100% exactly how it was or how its gonna be.. SO I BELIEVE IN JESUS AND Do his will etc.. but i know of all these different doctrines but im not totally sure about some of them. I just let it be and dont worry if Kenites are litterally here or not . I dont worry if there was a first earth age or not.. I just understand its possible and can see both sides of these arguments.. But in the main truth of Jesus I am 100% certain . Would you say because I study what murray teaches that I am decieved and part of his "cult" lol. Come on man you are way off base here.. I believe that if someone believes in Christ and studies the word under murray and if they believe everything he teaches is perfectly accurate that does not condemn them.. As long as "THE HEART IS GOOD AND WITH JESUS " that is what I think god would be looking at. Do you honestly think Almighty God would want his very few believers to be fighting over difficult and confusing doctrines? Even you yourself at one point felt what Sc taught checked out ok.. so no man is perfect or knows the exact specifics of everything. Let Sc people believe what they want. IF you feel compelled to refute specific teachings of his then do it from a place of love and as a fellow christian.. Example Hey my friends that follow x y z doctrines, I think that the bible was really saying this a b c, I used to believe it taught x y z so im not judging or trying to be mean I just wanted to show that I now see it this way and here is why.. Lets put it this way.. If you were to go back in time when you followed sc and were to read your own blog You would be upset by the way you were talking to yourself .. Its one thing to dispute certain details of the bible but I believe you would be more jesus like to do it from a place of love and compassion.. Maybe you should re examine your entire concept of what it is to be a christian? Did Jesus teach you to love or to judge and argue? Did he base making it to heaven on how one understands the old testament or specific parts of it? I dont remember Jesus talking about You must believe in the old testament these specific ways.. ? I think the key point im making is refocus on Jesus and what he taught. Read his words and then step back and decide if Jesus was concerned about how we see these diff doctrines. Yes aim for truth and wisdom but Filter everything through jesus. I STRONGLY REFUTE THAT SC IS A CULT or is decieved or is a heretic. I believe AM Taught as best he could and as deep as he could but we all fall short and are not perfect.. but AM brought the truth of Jesus which trumps everything else , to thousands of people and helped thousands find Jesus. And I believe he , you , and every other human that studies the word knows the 100% specific way everything went down and is going to go down. Except Jc . peace .. Its alot easier to just be a christian and love others and spread the word than get obsessed with these certain points you are refuting. Yes its great to study and try to understand it all but dont let that seperate you from other believers in christ.
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DeleteWhoever you are you're lacking in knowledge... Genesis 4 does say that but... Eve says she received a child from the Lord. GOD didn't put his stamp of approval on it until you look at the beginning of Genesis 5-1 clearly states the True Genealogy of Adam in which GOD clearly states his truth. If anyone google "can a woman have twins from to different men" we wouldn't be having this discussion. So I guess Deuteronomy chapter 28 is talking about Caucasians' and that the European pic of Your white Jesus is accurate as well his name is Ceasera B... Study it for yourself. If you're not of the 12 tribes ur a gentile.. Be thankful GOD is merciful and has no respect of person through Iesus:) I guess the nephilium just appeared from out the blue. No the angels had SEX with the women.
ReplyDeleteThanks Bro for your post this helps me in exposing SC to a loved one
ReplyDeleteThe author is incorrect on every point though. IDK about the other "members", matter of fact most online CHAPEL STUDENTS ARE DOWNRIGHT FULL OF THEMSELVES AND EVIL,but satan infiltrates everywhere truth is taught and Pastor Murray has done an excellent job reading the Word to folks. Everything makes sense when read plainly just as the Word should and contains ZERO error as Pastor Murray reads. I have corrected this authors post, but would love to help with any other questions. We must know the truth as to not bee deceived by antichrist guys
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ReplyDeleteI recently came upon sc on tv. I got all excited until i spent a reasonable time watching. I RAN in the other direction, and thanked the Lord for giving me a discerning spirit. I do not, however go searching for sc sites to angrily bash them, though I formly disagree with them.
ReplyDeletewhat do these "groups" have to do with anything? Pastor Murray has no control of what they do . Those zealots have nothing to do with what the Word tells us
DeleteII Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"
ReplyDeleteThe point, jee, is the "His own purpose and grace" in that verse. We were not chosen because of something we did in the "first earth age" or any "age" it is the purpose of God ALONE that we are chosen and saved.
DeleteWasnt its God's "purpose" we follow Him and NOT satan?
DeleteI will show you you have been dangerous in your words and I will give proof to each wrong claim you hav made against the Word of God. 1: Why is Shepherd's Chapel dangerous? Nowhere in Scripture does it teach that the elect where chosen in a first earth age :
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just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him In love.
2. Romans 8:28 "And we now that all things work together for good, to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose."
Romans 8:29 "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."
Romans 8:30 "Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them he glorified.11:1-10 There was a chosen remnant of believing Jews, who had righteousness and life by faith in Jesus Christ. These were kept according to the election of grace. If then this election was of grace, it could not be of works, either performed or foreseen.
so you my friend should study the Word and read closer. Jesus to
Deleteld us ALL things. I agree, some of the Chapels "students" get crazy and full f themselves, but this is not Pastor Murray's fault.
Read those verse very carefully and in full context, jee, and you will see that NONE of them say we were chosen because of something we did in the First earth age. Again it it "God's purpose" and "God's choice" not based on works (Eph 2:8-10)
DeleteI see what you mean, and I suppose until I go back and watch the video to see exactly how the pastor explains it, which i will do so i i can be sure, II found this : The Elect were chosen then for the stand they made against Satan when he rebelled against God. This is why God could say, “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”, (Romans 9:13). God knew in the first earth age that Esau had given up his birth right which was essentially God, instead choosing to follow Satan. What did Esau do in our present age? He sold his birth right for a bowl of mush (Genesis 25:34).
Deleteagain continue with the context. "14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." It is on God not use. God chose Jacob not because of anything Jacob did or will do but solely on the Grace of God ALONE.
DeleteIf anyone has questions I would love too help find answers with them
ReplyDeleteI am FOR SURE not a Shepard's Chapel zealot by any means, just thee way Pastor Murray reads has made PERFECT sense to me. I am , though , open to study and see from other perspectives backed by scripture
ReplyDeleteThank you, Jee. Murray always said to "check him out" and I pray that you do. study the Scriptures and let them speak for themselves. Not what Murray or I say but what the Scriptures declare.
Deletealways :) Thank you as well:) Any chance to study is always welcome
Deletefyi there is another guy that teaches verse by verse ie: les feldick , he teaches the raputure have fun and god be true and every man a liar
DeleteI love the Shepard's Chapel, Dr. Murray is the best teacher I've found, basically I learned nothing in other churches, and now I feel good about my knowledge of the Bible, you can pick anything apart, and nobody is perfect,this man Arnold Murray I happen to love much ,sorry you can't find that peace, your just bitter, calm down, and let us be, if you don't have anything good to say, maybe you shouldn't speak at all. God loves the Shepard's Chapel, why do you think it is successful,because God who over See's all makes sure he is a success, get over your chatter and move on.
ReplyDeleteI have read most all these comments, and I am sooooooo confused it's not even funny. I have always worried if i was understanding the Bible right and i have listened to many many wonderful preachers and teachers but seems that no body completely agrees ....See, i am an ageing woman that has a problem learning, i have always been what the old folks would say SLOW. I try so hard but the Bible is like trying to read a different language and I love the Lord so much, i want to give him my all. Now i come across this, i just dont know what to do any more, I love God and I love his people but now im worried that if im not getting it right and listening to stuff that might not be right that it may cause me to miss out with God, cause im so confused. but dont the Bible somewhere say confusion is of the devil ? Now i know better, I know im not of the devil cause i love my Jesus to much to be apart of him. Now i just dont know who to listen to or where to go, god help me i just feel so stupid for not being able to read and understand. but , no matter, I pray God bless you all....
ReplyDeleteBasya: I am a nobody, you are a nobody. God is your father. He is in you. Please don't pay any further attention to anything or anyone on the Internet.
DeleteFellowship with your hart, feeling and intuition. When it comes to your father do what feels right and makes sense in your head. Pray on it. Make a decision and don't listen to anyone or anything that contradicts your answer.
Sincerely your sibling.
I guess Joyce and Joel are much preferred options in today's world. All yap and no bible.
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