Wednesday, February 1, 2012

Shepherd's Chapel - My Story


I have stated on this blog and on my YouTube video that I use to be a student of Shepherd's Chapel. It was commented on YouTube and posts on this blog that I am a liar and was never a student of Shepherd's Chapel.


So here is my history:


In the late 1980's my Grandfather, a Baptist preacher for many years, stumbled across Shepherd's Chapel on his old C-band satellite dish (I was quite young at the time). As he listened and studied with Shepherd's Chapel he slowly changed his doctrines to align with the teachings of Arnold Murray. My Grandfather started sending my parents some of Shepherd's Chapel's tapes and trying to explain to us the truths that Murray was teaching. Then a few years later, when I was at about the age of 11 or 12, we started doing weekly Bible studies at my Grandfather's house. This was my first real contact with any Christian teaching. Unfortunately, by this time, my Grandfather's beliefs had changed to closely align with Shepherd's Chapel. My Dad, Mom, Brother, and I became convinced that Shepherd's Chapel was teaching the truth and we started following Arnold Murray's teachings.


A few years later, when I was about 14 or 15, my Dad purchased a C-band satellite dish (the big dish). I was able to watch Pastor Murray anytime I wanted (they have a 24-7 channel on C-band). I watched Shepherd's Chapel as much as I could for the next few years and learned most of the specifics of Murray's teachings during that time. At around the age of 18 I got one of my best friends involved with Shepherd's Chapel's teachings. We started handing out tracts, having Bible studies, and trying to spread the doctrines of Shepherd's Chapel any way we could. I was extremely passionate about my beliefs during this time and even went to three Passover meetings (annual meetings they hold usually in Branson, MO around Easter time). I was a fairly avid poster on some unofficial Shepherd's Chapel forums and tried to defend my beliefs with people on the internet (chat rooms, forums, websites, etc.).


During that time I displayed a lot of the same behavior that is common with Shepherd's Chapel students. I could be quite harsh with anybody that challenged my beliefs and I ridiculed Churches and people that I thought were deceived by Satan and his Kenites.


In 2008 I got married and tried to slowly introduce my wife to the doctrines taught by Shepherd's Chapel. Fortunate for me she was stubborn and would not give on much so I didn't try to push it too hard on her. I figured I would just plant the seeds and hope for the best. Around 2009 is when I started to have some doubts about certain doctrines (especially election) taught by Shepherd's Chapel but I suppressed those doubts as best I could. Then the Lord blessed me with a good job in 2010 that allowed me some time to do more Bible studies and reading. I made a conscious effort to read the Bible without listening to Murray or anybody; I was having some doubts and didn't want anybody influencing my studies. I read through the Old Testament once and the New Testament several times over the course of a year. I took Murray's advice and "checked him out" and I found that several of his doctrines were far from Biblical.


By February of 2011 (I was 32 at the time) I had totally rejected Shepherd's Chapel's false doctrines. That would put me at 20+ years of knowledge of their doctrines and teachings. God opened my eyes to the false teachings of Arnold Murray and I was convinced of Reformed Theology though my personal Bible studies. I am a member of a Bible believing and teaching local Church, Hanson Baptist Church (and yes, they teach verse-by-verse).


I renounce Shepherd's Chapel as a heretical cult that is outside the scope of Christianity!


Here is a list of just some of the heretical and unorthodox teachings of Shepherd's Chapel:

  • They teach we existed before we were born in the flesh and there was a first earth age that we all lived in. They teach the Gap Theory. Zechariah 12:1, Isaiah 44:2 and 1 Cor. 15:46 refute preexistence of the soul and the gap theory cannot be supported with sound Hebrew exegesis. (See here and here.)
  • Satan rebelled in that first earth age and God destroyed it. This destruction is known in the New Testament by the Greek word katabole. (See this post for a refutation.)
  • They teach that there were a people on earth before Adam was created. These pre-adamic people are call the 6th day people and comprised different races. White people were created separately on the 8th day. However, if you read Genesis it is clear that chapter 2 is going back to describe the creation of man in chapter 1. We read in Genesis 2:4 the statement "when they were created" showing that what follows is describing the events of the previous chapter thus refuting a separate creation event. (See also here.)
  • The elect where chosen because they stood against Satan in the first earth age. This is a type of justification by works and is a serious Gospel destroying heresy. The elect where chosen not based on any works but on God's sovereign and free choice (Romans 9). A simple reading of Romans 8 will show that the elect are all Christians and we were not chosen based on works performed. (See also Romans 9:16, Ephesians 2:8-10, 2nd Timothy 1:9. and my post here
  • Satan had literal sex with Eve and Cain was the offspring of Satan and Eve. This is called the Serpent Seed doctrine. A simple reading of Genesis 4:1 with refute this claim. Cain is the offspring of Adam. (See my post here and here.)
  • Cain's decedents are called Kenites and they are still alive today claiming to be Jews and controlling the world behind the scenes. This is a scare tactic and breeds racism. (See this post for a refutation.)
  • Kenites wrote the book of Esther. They won't teach the book of Esther on the air, you have to order the CD's from them. Why hide this teaching? Because it is a blatant denial of Holy Scripture. (Revelation 22:19, Deut. 4:2; 12:32.)
  • Caucasians are the true descendants of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. There is no scriptural or historical support for this assertion. This doctrine stems from the British Israelism / Christian Identity heresy which has close ties to racist groups. Shepherd's Chapel does not out-right teach racism but many of their doctrines have stemmed from, and tend to breed, racism.
  • Christians that believe in the Pre-tribulation Rapture will be deceived by the Antichrist. The Bible, to the contrary, teaches in Revelation 13:8 and Matt. 24:22 and John 10:28-29 that Christians can not be deceived by the Antichrist or his system.
  • The Antichrist is Satan himself and not a man. Scripture, however, distinguishes between the man of sin and Satan in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2. Also Revelation shows the Devil as separate from the False Prophet and the Beast. (See also Daniel chapters 9-11.)
  • They teach Annihilationism. In other words, the denial of eternal conscious torment in hell. Matt. 25:46, Rev. 14:9-11 and many others refute this. (See also this post for a refutation.). Note I don't consider Annihilationism damnable heresy but it causes some theological and Biblical problems.
  • They are unclear as to the Trinity and teach modalism (God uses three offices not that God is three persons). I've heard Pastor Murray say "a smart man doesn't discuss the Trinity". They leave it ambiguous, but Shepherd's Chapel's teachings are clearly modalistic and thus heretical. Wrong God, wrong Gospel!
  • Christians must uphold the kosher food laws. (Romans 14:17, 1st Timothy 4:3-4, Mark 7:19 refute this claim).
  • We are in the end-times because in 1948 the good and bad figs returned and created the state of Israel. They claim the bad figs of Jeremiah 24 are Kenites. (See this post for a refutation). Scripture makes it clear that the last days began in the first century. Hebrews 1:1-2, Acts 2:17. In other words, the last days is the time between Christ's first advent and second advent.
  • If your church doesn't teach who the Kenites are they are not a true church and don't posses the Key of David. They try to use Smyrna and Philadelphia from Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 to try and prove that, but only a false hermeneutic and presupposition would lead to such a statement. Romans 2:28-29 shows that a true Jew is a one that is inwardly a Jew, in other words a Christian. (see this post.)
  • They teach there is a distinction between free will Christians and elect Christian. There is, however, no scriptural support for this position. Romans 8 and Ephesians 1 disproves this heresy. All Christians are elect and all elect are Christians. The Bible doe not teach there is a group called free-will Christians that are different from elect Christians.


Why is Shepherd's Chapel dangerous? Nowhere in Scripture does it teach that the elect where chosen in a first earth age, that a Christian gained elect status because they sided with God in that first earth age. To teach that you are elect because of something you did is heretical and against everything written in the New Testament. I have heard Pastor Murray, when teaching through Romans 8, say the elect where justified, elected and chosen because they stood with God in the first earth age. In other words the elect where justified (saved) in the first earth age because of something they did. This is essentially justification by works which the Bible strongly condemns (Ephesians 2:8-10). There is no distinction anywhere in the Bible where there are separate elect Christians apart from other Christians. All true Christians are elect, once a person realizes that simple truth the whole Shepherd's Chapel system of doctrine falls apart. That is what started my journey out of Shepherd's Chapel and I pray that if you are lost in this cult that you consider the ramifications of your doctrines. (for a more full explanation see my post here.) 


Consider this: the doctrines they teach were not taught by Christ, Paul, or any of the Apostles. Their doctrines are not found in any early church writings and were never taught by the Christian church. Would God wait until some man in Arkansas almost 2000 years after Christ to reveal the truth (this is similar to what Mormons teach concerning Joseph Smith)? When the Scripture they use to support their doctrines are closely examined it shows they are clearly mishandling the Word of God. In fact their whole system of belief falls apart under close scrutiny.


Shepherd's Chapel denies the Trinity even though they may claim they don't. Like most cults they redefine terms to fit their heretical views. The simple fact is that Shepherd's Chapel does not teach that the one true and living God has eternally existed as three co-equal, co-eternal persons (for more on the Trinity see this video).


Shepherd's Chapel teaches a false gospel and false gospels cannot save! Take seriously Paul's words in Galatians 1:9: As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

141 comments:

  1. I study the bible and i have watched pastor murry,and like you even said he's a pretty good teacher,but I also watch pastor prince,and a few others.this is my take on this subject,I believe we should read the word of god for ourselves and study,no one man has all the answers,I respect your opinion and if you want you can find fault in every pastor,I hope all the best to all.....lee

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    1. Every true pastor and teacher of God's word will make some mistakes from time to time, I do grant that. The problem is that Arnold Murray is not a Christian pastor, he is teaching a completely different Gospel than the one handed down by Christ and the Apostles. This isn't nit-picking details, but is rather serious. The gospel presented by Arnold Murray is false and cannot save.

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    2. Do you have some issues with Pastor Murray or his people?? I have a basic difference with some of his conclusions, but he certainly is more correct than the mainstream churches that sell their "gospel" story. You can learn more from Pastor Murray in an hour than you can learn from bogus hirelings in a lifetime. At least he addresses real Biblical questions and answers them to the best of his ability at the time. Rather than attacking him, we should be thankful for the truth that he has shared.

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    3. I have a strong love and compassion for the people deceived by Arnold Murray because I was once just like them. That is why I warn them so strongly because I love them. Mr. Murray is a very nice guy and extremely likable but he is teaching damnable heresies, that is my issue with him. I'm not sure what you mean by "mainstream" churches but it is true that a lot of "mainline" denominations have become liberal and distort the Gospel of Christ. By the way the true Gospel is proclaimed by many churches in America although it is getting less and less. Not everything that Murray says is wrong but in the essentials he is wrong. I am not attacking Murray on a personal level only his doctrine.

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    4. Sounds like your wife turned you into a Calvinist. Unconditional election? limited atonement?? irresistible Grace???. Talk about false teaching! get out of that Man.

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    5. II Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"

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    6. Arnold Murray was just a man. His ministry will fall by the wayside and die with him. This unnatural devotion to him and his ideas is sign it is a cult. I have watched prophecies given by Murray fail in the eighties over and over again. Hus interpretation of the etchings on that Bat Creek stone tells me he doesn't know how to read any Hebrew much less Paleo Hebrew or as he calls it Phalio Hebrew. Lol I would say he doesn't really know how to use a concordance either. He says Rapture isn't in the Bible and yet he turns around and says that those who believe in it will be Raptured away by the Antichrist. Double talk if you ask me. He doesn't believe in the resurrection of the dead as following in Christ's footsteps. Apostle Paul was clear when arguing with the Sadducees he believed in it. Everything Murray teached I disagreed with. He sounds like he is teaching Mormon and Scientology. The worst part is on top of everything he sounds like a whie supremacists. I would say this, why not question his doctrine? Doesn't the Bible tell us to do just that? Try the spirits to see whether they be of God. Stay away from strange doctrine. God is not the author of confusion. Why does anyone listen to these people?
      Check this guy out he was just a man. Put your trust in no man.

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    7. Pastor Murray will Not be forgotten and his teachings live on. His delivery was unique as most people Of The Cloth. He touched my life many years ago. He has tought me more than all the Christian private boarding schools ever could. He brought me close to Our Father. He constantly said to read God's Word for yourself. SC is not a cult. That's rediculous. Many of you seem like you're just enjoying bashing someone who dedicated most of his life to teaching God's Word as he believed. He was Very Educated in his field. He is no longer here and yet mean-spirited people still enjoy trying to discredit and disgrace him. That only makes you look petty and childish. He spread the Word as God instructs Christians. I hope you are not judged so harsh as you have Pastor Murray. May God have mercy on you children as I would not. What a pity you all seem.

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    8. Hello Bree, thank you for your comment! I just want you to know I am not trying to be mean-spirited. I am doing what the Apostle Paul commanded us Christians to do. That is, call out false teachers. Arnold Murray was a very nice man, but he taught damnable heresies. I have documented those heresies in this post and many other posts I have on this site.

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    10. lets try it again. I have read the 1st argument you are giving regarding pre-existing souls. I just read all 3 scriptures you mention: Zechariah 12:1, Isaiah 44:2 and 1 Cor. 15:46. Neither one back up the statement that refute pre-existence of the soul. It mention that God created us but Arnold never preached different on that. It is one thing to disagree with someone but what the way you did (formulated it is wrong). Arnold Murray has not done anything that diserve the poison that comes out of your statement.

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    11. I believe this is the answer of our beloved now-deceased teacher to you. Follow the link:https://shepherdschapel.com/answers-to-the-critics/

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    12. Shame on you for makeing a judgment only God can do. I think you got some good teaching and decided you knew a better way. Remind you of anyone?

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    13. What Bible did you say Arnold murry was teaching from? The Bible Murray uses is the same one everyone I know usescomposed of biblical scholars from Angelicans, Assemblies of God,Baptist,Methodist, Nazarene,Presbyterian, Lutheral, Mennonite. What did you say Murray was using? What are you using?

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    14. Pastor Murray us correct. You need to read your bible again.
      You need to find yourself and go back to your child hood before you started questioning yourself to seek answers elsewhere. As Murray says....... It's so simple and child can understand it. AND IT'S SO......... whoever twisted your mind and made you believe otherwise, I pray for you both. DON'T BE THE DECEIVED FOOL IN THE END.
      YOUR GRANDFATHER WAS CORRECT BROTHER. GO back to whom you once we're and you will be ok.

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    15. I like this post. I use to enjoy listening to Mr. Murray as well until he started talking all of this Anglo-Israelite business.
      But here’s a good question...if the chosen white race got it right in the first earth age, did they get it wrong in this earth age? Given that it was the whites who drove the Indians off of their land and the whites who caused the Holocaust and the whites who enslaved the black people.

      That’s why it’s so important to study God’s word and to seek Him or else you will believe anyone who sounds convincing enough.

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    16. Bottom line : Happy Wife, Happy Life...

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    17. God know us before we were in our mothers womb.Scripture says.So we are alive before God sent us down.So Pastor was right.This was for a comment made a while back

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    18. Who are you to judge? And why say,
      this is not a man of God.

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  2. You never studied with the Shepherds chapel, liar .

    You say you understand the Bible , and quote what the Chapel teaches, ( The Bible ). but you never post the scripture for those subjects, because you NEVER studied with the chapel. Or, your the laziest Bible student.

    I have actually studied the Bible that, Shep Chap teaches. So I can see your a liar.

    I can see your lies coming 666 miles away.

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    1. And now everybody gets to see just how vile and un-Christian SC students can be. I have posted scripture to refute SC and I have not said a single lie. You are the one that has not provided any scripture to prove SC's false doctrines. I do this out of Love and I will pray for your salvation Truth teller. May the Lord open your eyes and lead you out of the cult of Murray.

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    2. Actually you don't sound very loving. You seem angry and condescending. Not a nice picture!

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    3. Sometimes it is easy to misinterpret what somebody is saying on the internet because you cannot sense the emotions like you can in speaking face to face. I assure you I am not angry other then frustrated and saddened by so many being led astray and into the pit by the false doctrines taught by Arnold Murray. I am warning you and other because I love you and do not wish to see any of you perish in your sins. It was Truth Teller that has resorted to name-calling and calling me a liar without providing any proof. He had resorted to name-calling instead of dealing with the text of Scripture. I will pray the Lord will open his and your mind and you will see your errors before it is too late and you have to stand before a Holy and Just God.

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    4. I see untruths with this website also, Truth Teller. Pastor Murray does teach the Trinity. This I know as fact because I have studied with him and the chapel for over 9 years. Murray was a wonderful teacher, and he never bashed another preacher or organization by name, something Colby you could learn from him. Reading from the KJV..chapter by chapter...verse by verse..we learned many truths...hard to be conned when God's Word is right in front of you. Murray was a wonderful man of God. He did not cast stones....he let them fall they may. He preached of repentance....and against sin. I am now more closer to my Father than I have ever been. There was only one perfect man, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. There is no living man or religion that has a whole truth...maybe parts...but not a whole. Be wise and don't cast stones, it does your witness no good. And don't worry about my salvation....I love my Lord, and strive to be the best child I can be...asking my Father for forgiveness for those times when I do go astray. What a loving Father we have!

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    5. Hello Debra, Murray may use the name Trinity but if you study and listen to how he describes it, it is pure modalistic. He does not teach 3 co-existent, co-eternal persons of God. I am not bashing Murray, nor do I encourage anybody to bash any person or belief. I am simply doing what Jesus and the apostles did and commanded us to do, call out a false prophet when we see one. I have been to many churches and listened to many preachers that teach verse-by-verse and none would fall for the errors that Murray has come up with. It is easy to twist scripture even in a verse-by-verse format. He misuses the Greek and reinterprets scripture to fit his preconceived ideas that have no Biblical basis. Simple fact is Murray teaches that you earned your election in a former age. that Heresy plain and simple.

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    6. Thanks for declaring the truth.I am so happy He brought you out from among them! Stand strong brother! God of the bible is on your side. :)

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    7. Truth teller. you're right on the point.

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    8. Shepard's chapel does teach about the Trinity.. He didn't say the elect were here the first earth age. He said the dinosaurs were. He have never said there is two different types of God's elect. He always say we the ones who seek the truth are the elect. I don't believe you were paying attention when you studied with Arnold Murray
      Or maybe You don't have the eyes to see or the ears to hear.

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    9. hello Child of Light and thank you for your comment! Shepherd's Chapel teaching on the nature of God is modalistic not Trinitarian. Listen to Shepherd's Chapel study on the elect and Genesis 1-6 you will see that he teaches that we were all in the first earth age. It seems you are not paying attention. Murray teaches that before this earth age came into being we were all in spirit bodies in the first earth age.

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    10. He does teach the trinity. But uses the correct word the God Head. and that after the second coming it will go back to the God Head. The bible tells us Jesus sets at Gods right hand. Figuratively speaking Jesus was his right hand on earth bc he made himself into flesh so we could look upon him. And bc flesh doesnt live forever he then gave us the Holy Spirit/Holy Bible. Until we are all turned into spiritual bodies. Why is the trinity such a fight. Its soooo simple. Do people really think flesh and a physical book are going to be chilling in heaven. Umm no. Bc we will finally be able see God. No more sunglasses to look at the sun!! It comes full circle he is the Father Spirit Son. In one God Head!!

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    11. He does teach the trinity. But uses the correct word the God Head. and that after the second coming it will go back to the God Head. The bible tells us Jesus sets at Gods right hand. Figuratively speaking Jesus was his right hand on earth bc he made himself into flesh so we could look upon him. And bc flesh doesnt live forever he then gave us the Holy Spirit/Holy Bible. Until we are all turned into spiritual bodies. Why is the trinity such a fight. Its soooo simple. Do people really think flesh and a physical book are going to be chilling in heaven. Umm no. Bc we will finally be able see God. No more sunglasses to look at the sun!! It comes full circle he is the Father Spirit Son. In one God Head!!

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    12. We agree with "anonymous", post of 2013 - you have not truly studied with Pastor Murray. Perhaps the television was on but apparently your ears and eyes were not open to the Truth. Not judging your wife, that is the job of our Heavenly Holy Father. But woe is she if she's misleading away from Truth. As head of the household with Knowledge, you should have been the one to hold strong to that Truth. Let her go with her own deceptions if she insisted. Perhaps you could have brought her to God's Truth. Either way, you are in great error to bring false teaching to public venues. Keep your lies to yourself behind the walls of your WIFE'S house.

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  3. I have been studying with Pastor Murray and can refute all of your hateful rhetoric. My God someday give you eyes to see and ears to hear. You are in my prayers

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    1. I'm just exposing the false teaching of Arnold Murray. I don't see how it is "hateful rhetoric" but I have not intended to be hateful in anyway. I apologize if you have taken it that way. If you can refute what I say please do. If you don't want to use a public forum then please email me and we can discuss this. colby.braden@outlook.com

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    2. Colby, there are more who are with you than against you. I also have recognized the heretical teachings of SC. Thank you for taking a stand for Christ and his true church. It is obvious that those who are against you are deceived. I also understand that it is easy to be deceived by him because of his seemingly apparent bible knowledge and confidence. I urge all listeners to find a local reformed theology teaching church and learn the truth.

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    3. So, what do you say to those who insist SC is a cult, their doctrine is NOT Christian because Pastor Murray doesn't agree with THEIR interpretation of God's Word that, according to them, tells us there will be a pre-tribulation rapture? For that reason, they dismiss ALL his teachings as wrong. I'm not sure if you do or do not believe in the rapture, but if you don't, then, according to them, you are deceived and ignorant. Kinda sounds like you guys, huh? There has only been one PERFECT flesh man who knows all, understands all and is always right, and he hasn't walked this earth for over 2000 yrs. Because someone's honest interpretation of some of what's in the Bible is not the same as yours does not make them deceitful or ignorant or evil or a cult or outside God's plan ...not unless you're willing to admit that about yourselves to those who believe the same about you. Your unwavering self-proclaimed insistence of, "I have discerned the truth, YOU have been deceived, I am right, YOU are wrong, I have wisdom, YOU have ignorance" IS judgement and NOT the kind that Jesus instructs. When we study God's Word, alone, in a congregation, with a Pastor, a teacher, a scholar, a friend, family member....ANYONE...we must ALL ask The Father for discernment and wisdom that only He can give, discernment about the teachings, the teachers and our own understanding. He knows before he sends us teachers that they won't always get everything right, but He sends them, imperfect as they are, to do their best, expecting us to do our part, and ALL OF US trusting that He will do the rest. You are blind to your self righteous, condescending attitudes, and, again, I say, "Shame on you!"

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    4. Greeting Katr! I’m trying to understand your post as best I can so please bear with me. I am not saying SC is a cult because they don’t teach pre-trib rapture. I myself do not believe in the pre-trib rapture. I believe in Amillennial post-trib rapture. But Murray’s interpretations are far from honest. It is obvious he knew very little about how Greek and Hebrew grammar functioned. Not every single thing Murray taught was wrong but what he was wrong about is very serious heresy (justification by works, serpent seed, denial of the Trinity, etc.). His unorthodox and heretical teaching that no one in the early church or thought history since the time of Jesus every taught is why I call Shepherd’s Chapel a Cult. Your allegation that I said : , "I have discerned the truth, YOU have been deceived, I am right, YOU are wrong, I have wisdom, YOU have ignorance" is false. I never said those words.. but that is how the Students of Shepherd’s Chapel usually speak down to others that disagree with them. Again I follow Paul’s command in 1st Cor. 5:12. I am judging Arnold Murray, Dennis Murray and Shepherd’s Chapel based on what Paul, Peter, Jesus and all the writers of Holy Scripture have to say. I am not nit-picking over eschatological views or non-essential doctrines. Shepherd’s Chapel teaches heresy and it is the duty of Christians to call out false prophets.

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    5. First off, judge not , that ye be not Judged, for we will be Judged as we judge , see Matthew 7:1-2. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 the. 5:21. But be doers of the word, and not hearers only. James 1:22. For precept must be upon precept , precept upon precept , line upon line here a little there a little. Isaiah 28:10. Ask , and it shall be given to you , seek , and ye shall find ; knock , and it shall be opened unto you. Matthew 7:7 , also like 11:10..... All I'm saying is prove all things take no man's word , seek with you heart and ye shall find, for those who truly seek God's word it will be given in Gods time. And we shall Love one another , and judge not.

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  4. They are teaching false doctrines straight from Hell. Unfortunately these are not the only false Christians that are leading others astray. Christ knows his sheep and his sheep knows Christs voice.

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  5. hey mr rethinker all i can say, is have a good trip.

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  6. I am trying to help an older friend with getting her 'bible study' from SC since the local cable company stopped carrying their show. I contacted them for assistance. I will say this. There was so much sarcasm and inconsideration that I sensed a spirit of hate. They are very unforgiving for even ignorance of their viewers. They have a very outdated website and rebuke anyone who makes it easier for these older people to view, like on youtube. Of course, I discovered they are no longer on youtube because they aren't allowed back on there. She is brainwashed, otherwise I would suggest she go somewhere else for her devotions. But I will stress my concern with her. You should NEVER study with only one teacher.

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    1. Of course, I discovered they are no longer on youtube because they aren't allowed back on there

      That paints a mighty condemning picture of Shepherd's Chapel, doesn't it? The truth is, however, is that they don't want to be on youtube and have filed copyright complaints and youtube omitted many of the videos.

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    2. Your all wrong. Pastor Arnold and Dennis speak Truth. Line by line, verse by verse. The problem with many of tese "comments" s that these people do not take the scriptures back to their original sources from the Hebrew and the Greek. That is the cause of many people not understanding the full meanings of doctrine out of the English translations. for example in the KJV Rev 13:16-17 one little word IN has been revised in the NKJV to ON causing most to beLIEve that to take the mark means it's a physical action such as getting a tattoo or microchip implanted ON your forehead or ON your hand, when the true meaning is taking the mark is a spiritual act which is to say taking IN to your mind THE LIE that Christ is to come and FLY AWAY all his "saved" beLIEvers ; and of the hand, refers to the work you do which is to say ARE YOU PROPAGATING THE LIE by teaching this false doctine. The TRUE CHRIST returns upon the 7th trump and the ANTI-christ at the 6th. 6 comes before 7. duh! I am starting a BLOG of my own called FIG INFORMERS check it out as there's much much more to be said regarding the misinterpretaion of God's Word. Look, you either get it or you don't because God doesn't give everyone EYES to SEE and EARS to HEAR and He doesn't reveal HIS MYSTERY to everyone. That's what the millenium reign is for. It's God's way of separating the sheep from the goats. Shepherd's Chapel speak TRUTH. Amen and amen. Jennifer Siagian Jenny17sheep@gmail.com or malkbkny@gmail.com if you'd like me to send you my essays discussing matters such as these.

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    3. Hello Jennifer. Very interesting comment. You need to check your Greek again. There is a reason why the NKJV and most other modern translations translate Revelation 13:16 as “.. ON the forehead..” instead of “.. IN the forehead..” like the KJV. It is simple, and no it isn't some conspiracy by the Kenites to deceive people. If you will take your lexicon or Strong's concordance you will see the word translated as “in” in Revelation 13:16 in the KJV is the Greek word “epi” which means upon, on, beside, ontop ect.. the word does not mean in, or inside as you suppose. The modern translations simple correctly translate the Greek word “epi” and fix the error in the KJV. Also it is apparent by your comment that you have not even read my Blog at all. I have never once defended the pre-trib rapture view. As a matter of fact I am an Amillennialist and do not believe in a Pre-trib Rapture. If you have any questions about this please contact me at colby.braden@gmail.com. God bless you and my wife and I will pray for you specifically tonight that God may open your eyes to the errors of Shepherd's Chapel.

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    4. Also Jennifer I need to add that all Christians have received Eyes to See and Ears to Hear.. it is unbelievers that do not have the eyes to see and ears to hear. The mystery that Paul talks about is the mystery of the Gospel that the Jews at the time did not have eyes to see that Jesus was the messiah.

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    5. Romans 11:8 (1611 King James Bible)

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      According as it is written, God hath giuen them the spirit of slumber: eyes that they should not see, and eares that they should not heare vnto this day.

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    6. Hello again Jennifer! You haven't responded to my refutation of what you said earlier. BTW what is the context of Romans 11:8? If you read Romans 11 you will see it is Israel that was blinded and did not understand the coming of our Savoir Jesus Christ or that salvation was by grace though faith. It has nothing to do with being deceived by a pre-trib doctrine as you suppose.

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    7. The Shepherd's Chapel Official Channel https://www.youtube.com/user/TheShepherdsChapel

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    8. Sounds like a lot of single verse readers and not referring to the the whole chapter to know what the subject was and what the verse pertained to. Way to many verses are taken out of context and preach about for an hour in several different ways with nothing to do with the original verse. If there is one thing I have learned from Shepherds Chappell is to read the entire chapter to know the meaning. I haven't studied with him for awhile but it brought me back to Christ and I rely on no man but the good book and what it teaches me. I am in church when I have discussions with others as I have not found a church yet that knows what they are doing. I call all the divisions in Christianity simatics,as what is in your heart and knowledge of being a Christian and true faith in Gods word will be rewarding in heaven. Not what any one man interprets. I fear no death for I do the best I can and am a true believer in all mighty God and Son Jesus. No one can take that from me but me.

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    9. Shephard's Chapel IS on youtube to this day! Thank God! Why would anyone declare they are not. Demonic spirits are working overtime to deceive because it knows its time is short. Please think before you become its right hand in its work of deception.

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    10. I have been watching sheperds chapel and i belived it with all my heart until i heard there will be no rapture then i listened to another preacher n he said we would then sheperds chapel said that cain was the son of satan and i have really looked into this and the bible doesnt say this so i no longer watch sheperds chapel lies lies lies need to know about Jesús not what 1 man thinks

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  7. I will say this about pastor Arnold Murry, That old combat marine deffinately has something to say.

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  8. To read what Arnold Murray teaches and his reasons for it try this website. As far as I can tell it is an almost complete complication of what Arnold has said and someone spent a great deal of time to accomplish it.

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  9. Will I burn in Hell for studying the Bible with SC? Who will be the one to judge me, man or God? It is my prayer to stop fighting among Christians and let Jesus do the forgiving for the one that is in the wrong here. Read his word. Any "MAN" preaching God's word should pray for understanding and focus on growing his kingdom. Calling ones belief in the word of God a cult is harsh. And we all know the word about Judging.

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    1. Mike, I cannot judge what is in your heart. All I can tell you is that Murray teaches a false gospel and false gospels cannot save. Jesus and the apostles 'judged' and called out false prophets and commanded us to do so. 1st Cor. 5:12 says we can judge those that are claiming to be in the church since Murray claims to be a Christian teacher Christians can Judge what he says and compare it to scripture. It is the Christian thing to do to call out false prophets.

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    2. We cannot judge you for deception in your heart, Braden. But we can surely use the discernment gifted to us by the Holy Spirit of God and see you work as divisive and false as forewarned in God's Word. May you see Truth and confess soon, before it is too late. The pulpit is judged first and harshest, remember.

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    3. Colby's not the one deceived.

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  11. You and all your ilk that teach this man is not of God must be from the Synagogue of Satan. In the book of Revelations it warns of people like you. I am glad this is the only forum you have to spread your BS. Blessed you are not. I would love to see your life under a microscope to see just what you have left in your wake.

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    1. Hello Milo. Sorry you believe I am of the synagogue of satan but I am not. I trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and I do as he commands and call out false prophets when I see them. I know Murray is a false prophet and I have shown that pretty well in my posts on this blog. If you have anything specific you want to debate me on or if you think you can defend Murray's teaching Biblically instead of name calling then contact me please and we will talk. It is true I have made many mistakes in my life and the Spirit of God is still Sanctifying my life but I disagree with you, I am very blessed by the Lord for he brought me out of the errors of Shepherd's Chapel and I trust in Christ alone!!

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    2. Milo Magnus, indeed he will be judged harshly for trying to deceive God's children. It is written and so it shall be.

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  12. I thank you for your blog. My Grandfather fell for the SC doctrine after my Grandmother died. She was a devout Christian and Sunday school teacher. I think he wanted to fellowship because he missed her, and he fell for SC because Murray is an aging ex-marine, so in Grandpa's eyes he could do no wrong. I gently tried to explain that the church he no longer goes to would never condone the SC message, but he doesn't believe me. I don't think he ever even paid attention in Church, he went cause Grandma made him go. He doesn't know better. He believes that Murray's knowledge of Hebrew makes his word infallible. As a student of German, I tried to explain how complicated language translation is. Even my favorite German poet is translated over, and over by fluent German translators whom argue about how it should be translated into English. There is no swaying him, however, and I'm upset that he's been conned at the end of his life. Grandma would be furious at SC. She would never allow such a condescending man over the airwaves in her home. She did not tolerate mockery.

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  13. hello everyone
    after reading all of the different posts, and after findin and coming to really like Mr. Murray, what I am convincened of is evil does exists, it is neither black or white, and it is wrong. Evil comes to kill steal and to destroy, and in my humble opinion that is exactly what is going on within this blog. We all have a right to our own individual opinions, however every scriptural doctrine that I have studied basically all teach the same thing and that is we are not to judge one another. Having my own opinion if I am not careful will cause me to sin and it will cause me to do exactly what I am judging someone else of doing and that is taking scripture to make it work for our own benefit. The enemy is so crafty that sometimes we are deceived without realizing it because the deception leads us to believe that Our Father actually needs our help to save His children when scripture clearly teaches He sent Jesus to do that. We sometimes become deceived when we dont realize the very Thing we claim to be doing to help one another is what Our Father wants that and if we take the time to really hear ourselves and the conversations we have been deceived into having, we would realize Our Father surely would not have us arguing with one another, about which one of us has the job to save the others.. we would have to laugh at ourselves and realize we are not being biblical and have been deceived like a theif in the night to forget what Our Father told us about works, lest no man should boast. Since I have found myself tricked and deceived by the enemy on more than one occassion I wanted to share my experiences with all of you. Because I only see the broadcast on tv and the man is alwasy sitting at a desk reading from the same bible i can follow and if i dont have my own bible he puts the words on the screen with the passages for people to look up for themselves.. the only conclusion i can give based on this experience is that he is teaching sound doctrine.. ratther his opinions are in line with Gods word are not is up to the hearer, the reader, and the doer of the scriptures and whether are not they are our sisters and brothers, because our father clearly says His sheep will hear HIS VOICE..

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    1. Greetings Patricia! Thank you very much for your post. I would like to address some things you stated. I agree with you Arnold Murray was a likable man, but he was still a false prophet. I also agree that evil does destroy, kill & steal. I agree that you have a right to your individual opinion, so do I. You are, however, wrong about the judging. It is quite proper to judge those that are claiming to be Christian, yet teaching false doctrine. Please read 1st Corinthians 5:12-13, Paul says (Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”). Jesus in Matt 7 is not telling us we can’t make judgments, but that we cannot be hypocritical in our judgments. “first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” The Bible teaches us to identify false prophets and call them out. Especially those that are mishandling the Word of God. Most false teachers use the Bible Patricia. You must “check them out” to see if they are false doctrines. That is what I have done in my posts. If you can refute what I’ve said, instead of making emotional claims, then please do. But it is very clear, and I have documented from the Bible, that Arnold Murray and Shepherd’s Chapel is teaching false doctrine. I pray the Lord opens your eyes Patricia and that you will follow the True Shepherd, Jesus Christ. Not the traditions of a man like Murray and Shepherd’s Chapel.

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    2. please document Pastor Murray's so-called false teaching again please?

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  14. Hello Timothy. You are more than welcome to republish my article as long as you give a link to my blog and don't change anything ;)

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  16. I was 28 when I found shepherd's chapel. I had been seeking real understanding for about 10 years. Having attended Baptist, Christian, and Methodist churches my whole life, do you know what I had learned about the bible in church up to that time? Very little. Primarily that God loves us all and generalized stories about Noah's ark, etc. There was contradiction and doubt in all the teachings to that time. For example, my grandfather's Baptist church said he couldn't go to heaven because he hadn't been baptised. The Catholics said the same. Yet the thief on the cross was granted entry. Why? Many churches I have attended have insisted that the earth is only 6000 year old. Just as, historically, they insisted the earth was flat and to say or attempt to prove otherwise was heresy.
    Arnold Murray taught me to seek the truth myself. He introduced me to study tools and taught me how to use them to seek God's truth. To find understanding for myself. Every single day, he encouraged his students to read for themselves and never take anyone else's word (including his) on what the bible says. Cults do not encourage people to think for themselves and provide the tools to do so. Whatever your purpose here, you could put your efforts to better use by teaching and giving people the tools they need to find their path to God.

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  17. Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

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    1. 2Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.… There is a reason Abel kept the flock, fed God's people, "Pastured" "and Cain tilled the Earth, satans EARTH. Cain is NOT in adams genealogy

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  18. If anyone is looking for a good teacher that teaches the whole Bible then listen to BBN radio at 12:30 pm eastern time (8:30 am pacific time). The late Dr. J Vernon McGee has an awesome 5 year study called the Bible Bus. There are many other awesome teachers all throughout the day. Erwin Lutzer ,Stephen Davey, Adrian Rodger's, Chuck Swindall, Joni Erickson Tada, Elizabeth Elliot, etc.Give BBN radio a try.

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    1. Good words here, brother. Found this network years ago and enjoy it very much. And if anyone is looking for an in-depth Bible study program, ttb.org is a good place to go. J. Vernon McGee's five year study has been a blessing.

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  19. So what if I believe in Jesus and seek to do his will and love God with all my heart etc.. But I also study the bible in depth on my own, Study Sc teachings, study what you are refuting, study what other teachers like the ones you listed say about specific topics that are disputed; But I dont consider myself a sc christian or this type of christian or that type.. And after all this studying I am not 100% sure about these disputed areas like serpent seed, kenites, elect etc. And I am able to see both sides of argument. But I am certain in my belief in Jesus and in the Bible etc.. I believe its true that no teacher can teach the bible without someone having a way to refute it.. its simply not written that way.. I believe truth is found in it and through the hs but there are contradictions and areas that are hard to know 100% exactly how it was or how its gonna be.. SO I BELIEVE IN JESUS AND Do his will etc.. but i know of all these different doctrines but im not totally sure about some of them. I just let it be and dont worry if Kenites are litterally here or not . I dont worry if there was a first earth age or not.. I just understand its possible and can see both sides of these arguments.. But in the main truth of Jesus I am 100% certain . Would you say because I study what murray teaches that I am decieved and part of his "cult" lol. Come on man you are way off base here.. I believe that if someone believes in Christ and studies the word under murray and if they believe everything he teaches is perfectly accurate that does not condemn them.. As long as "THE HEART IS GOOD AND WITH JESUS " that is what I think god would be looking at. Do you honestly think Almighty God would want his very few believers to be fighting over difficult and confusing doctrines? Even you yourself at one point felt what Sc taught checked out ok.. so no man is perfect or knows the exact specifics of everything. Let Sc people believe what they want. IF you feel compelled to refute specific teachings of his then do it from a place of love and as a fellow christian.. Example Hey my friends that follow x y z doctrines, I think that the bible was really saying this a b c, I used to believe it taught x y z so im not judging or trying to be mean I just wanted to show that I now see it this way and here is why.. Lets put it this way.. If you were to go back in time when you followed sc and were to read your own blog You would be upset by the way you were talking to yourself .. Its one thing to dispute certain details of the bible but I believe you would be more jesus like to do it from a place of love and compassion.. Maybe you should re examine your entire concept of what it is to be a christian? Did Jesus teach you to love or to judge and argue? Did he base making it to heaven on how one understands the old testament or specific parts of it? I dont remember Jesus talking about You must believe in the old testament these specific ways.. ? I think the key point im making is refocus on Jesus and what he taught. Read his words and then step back and decide if Jesus was concerned about how we see these diff doctrines. Yes aim for truth and wisdom but Filter everything through jesus. I STRONGLY REFUTE THAT SC IS A CULT or is decieved or is a heretic. I believe AM Taught as best he could and as deep as he could but we all fall short and are not perfect.. but AM brought the truth of Jesus which trumps everything else , to thousands of people and helped thousands find Jesus. And I believe he , you , and every other human that studies the word knows the 100% specific way everything went down and is going to go down. Except Jc . peace .. Its alot easier to just be a christian and love others and spread the word than get obsessed with these certain points you are refuting. Yes its great to study and try to understand it all but dont let that seperate you from other believers in christ.

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    1. I meant everyone that studies the bible including you me Sc people Murray and every other teacher is not able to prove with 100% certainty they know exactly how things were and are gonna be..

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    2. I meant everyone that studies the bible including you me Sc people Murray and every other teacher is not able to prove with 100% certainty they know exactly how things were and are gonna be..

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    3. Wow I went to bed last night really confused and upset.. As I was talking to GOD I told him I just wanted truth and am I wrong and being deceived by watching arnold murray and I woke up and continued reading the comments and yours was the first one and it answers my questions.. This guys blog said Murray's doctrine doesn't save .. And I was like what does he mean by that.. I believe Jesus was sent down to save us from our sins. And if we truly believe this we are saved.. It doesn't say we have to believe anything else does it.. Anyways ty for your comment... It gave me peace..

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    5. Jesus taught us to judge rightly, yup that's in the Bible. Paul taught us to judge those who claim to be "in the church" look it up. FACT: SC teaches false doctrines. I am exposing and warning others about those false doctrines. Is everyone that believes or follows shepherd's chapel going to hell? no way. People can be deeply deceived yet still be saved. my point is that the doctrines of SC are heresy and taken to the logical end are damnable heresy. That may seem blunt but it is truth and I mean it lovingly, I warn people out of love and wish those deceived to have their eyes opened. there is NO way the doctrine of Kenite, 3 earth ages, their view of election, Modalism, british Israelism, Kenite corruption of scripture, the belief that the book of Esther was written by kenites, can be proven by scripture.

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    1. Good's Word contains ZERO contradictions

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    2. If your faith or belief can not withstand a challenge then is it true or strong? Again just trying to learn

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  22. Whoever you are you're lacking in knowledge... Genesis 4 does say that but... Eve says she received a child from the Lord. GOD didn't put his stamp of approval on it until you look at the beginning of Genesis 5-1 clearly states the True Genealogy of Adam in which GOD clearly states his truth. If anyone google "can a woman have twins from to different men" we wouldn't be having this discussion. So I guess Deuteronomy chapter 28 is talking about Caucasians' and that the European pic of Your white Jesus is accurate as well his name is Ceasera B... Study it for yourself. If you're not of the 12 tribes ur a gentile.. Be thankful GOD is merciful and has no respect of person through Iesus:) I guess the nephilium just appeared from out the blue. No the angels had SEX with the women.

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    1. Google challenge accepted!

      Twins from two fathers is called Hetero-paternal super-fecundation and it is more common than one would like to think. So then it is possible Cain was a murderer because his father was? I did not see an apple mentioned in the bible, is that apple story just a fairy tale for the children? Again, just trying to learn. God bless us all.

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  23. Thanks Bro for your post this helps me in exposing SC to a loved one

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    1. The author is incorrect on every point though. IDK about the other "members", matter of fact most online CHAPEL STUDENTS ARE DOWNRIGHT FULL OF THEMSELVES AND EVIL,but satan infiltrates everywhere truth is taught and Pastor Murray has done an excellent job reading the Word to folks. Everything makes sense when read plainly just as the Word should and contains ZERO error as Pastor Murray reads. I have corrected this authors post, but would love to help with any other questions. We must know the truth as to not bee deceived by antichrist guys

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  27. I recently came upon sc on tv. I got all excited until i spent a reasonable time watching. I RAN in the other direction, and thanked the Lord for giving me a discerning spirit. I do not, however go searching for sc sites to angrily bash them, though I formly disagree with them.

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    1. what do these "groups" have to do with anything? Pastor Murray has no control of what they do . Those zealots have nothing to do with what the Word tells us

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  28. II Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"

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    1. The point, jee, is the "His own purpose and grace" in that verse. We were not chosen because of something we did in the "first earth age" or any "age" it is the purpose of God ALONE that we are chosen and saved.

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    2. Wasnt its God's "purpose" we follow Him and NOT satan?

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    3. Here right here is the winning point in the debate. From what I understand, and found thanks to Cloby, is that SC states that ANYONE who understands the passage in relations that Satan comes at the 6th trump., vile and seal (666, I think, viewed it many times to be sure), and Jesus come at the 7 trump, vile, and , seal is an elect. It seems to me the whole purpose of being here is to give ALL souls a second chance. So at this point even the bible is not in question but the statement of arguments are. WHAT did Murray say and what does Colby say Murray said match?

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  29. I will show you you have been dangerous in your words and I will give proof to each wrong claim you hav made against the Word of God. 1: Why is Shepherd's Chapel dangerous? Nowhere in Scripture does it teach that the elect where chosen in a first earth age :
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    just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him In love.
    2. Romans 8:28 "And we now that all things work together for good, to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose."

    Romans 8:29 "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."

    Romans 8:30 "Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them he glorified.11:1-10 There was a chosen remnant of believing Jews, who had righteousness and life by faith in Jesus Christ. These were kept according to the election of grace. If then this election was of grace, it could not be of works, either performed or foreseen.

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    1. so you my friend should study the Word and read closer. Jesus to
      ld us ALL things. I agree, some of the Chapels "students" get crazy and full f themselves, but this is not Pastor Murray's fault.

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    2. Read those verse very carefully and in full context, jee, and you will see that NONE of them say we were chosen because of something we did in the First earth age. Again it it "God's purpose" and "God's choice" not based on works (Eph 2:8-10)

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    3. I see what you mean, and I suppose until I go back and watch the video to see exactly how the pastor explains it, which i will do so i i can be sure, II found this : The Elect were chosen then for the stand they made against Satan when he rebelled against God. This is why God could say, “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated”, (Romans 9:13). God knew in the first earth age that Esau had given up his birth right which was essentially God, instead choosing to follow Satan. What did Esau do in our present age? He sold his birth right for a bowl of mush (Genesis 25:34).

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    4. again continue with the context. "14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." It is on God not use. God chose Jacob not because of anything Jacob did or will do but solely on the Grace of God ALONE.

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    5. That is another thing that struck me. SC teaches the elect are the Christians who have the seal of GOD or understand the 666 and 777 meaning or that Satan deceives by coming first, AND SOME are souls who stood against the Father of lies in a 1st earth age, NOT all. I want to learn but your claims of false teaching fail because your (reformed thinker) accusations do not match or hold up when I compare the evidence. In court they call this hearsay and its why its not used. Again, I am reading your claims and fact checking. It seems you misunderstand SC teachings. SC also said some of the kenites(?) would become elect when they gained the truth and the "Veil" is lifted??? I assume he has changed his teachings or you did not listen very well.

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  30. If anyone has questions I would love too help find answers with them

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      What is the difference between the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil are there two trees?

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  31. I am FOR SURE not a Shepard's Chapel zealot by any means, just thee way Pastor Murray reads has made PERFECT sense to me. I am , though , open to study and see from other perspectives backed by scripture

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    1. Thank you, Jee. Murray always said to "check him out" and I pray that you do. study the Scriptures and let them speak for themselves. Not what Murray or I say but what the Scriptures declare.

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    2. always :) Thank you as well:) Any chance to study is always welcome

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    3. fyi there is another guy that teaches verse by verse ie: les feldick , he teaches the raputure have fun and god be true and every man a liar

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  32. I love the Shepard's Chapel, Dr. Murray is the best teacher I've found, basically I learned nothing in other churches, and now I feel good about my knowledge of the Bible, you can pick anything apart, and nobody is perfect,this man Arnold Murray I happen to love much ,sorry you can't find that peace, your just bitter, calm down, and let us be, if you don't have anything good to say, maybe you shouldn't speak at all. God loves the Shepard's Chapel, why do you think it is successful,because God who over See's all makes sure he is a success, get over your chatter and move on.

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  33. I have read most all these comments, and I am sooooooo confused it's not even funny. I have always worried if i was understanding the Bible right and i have listened to many many wonderful preachers and teachers but seems that no body completely agrees ....See, i am an ageing woman that has a problem learning, i have always been what the old folks would say SLOW. I try so hard but the Bible is like trying to read a different language and I love the Lord so much, i want to give him my all. Now i come across this, i just dont know what to do any more, I love God and I love his people but now im worried that if im not getting it right and listening to stuff that might not be right that it may cause me to miss out with God, cause im so confused. but dont the Bible somewhere say confusion is of the devil ? Now i know better, I know im not of the devil cause i love my Jesus to much to be apart of him. Now i just dont know who to listen to or where to go, god help me i just feel so stupid for not being able to read and understand. but , no matter, I pray God bless you all....

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    1. Basya: I am a nobody, you are a nobody. God is your father. He is in you. Please don't pay any further attention to anything or anyone on the Internet.
      Fellowship with your hart, feeling and intuition. When it comes to your father do what feels right and makes sense in your head. Pray on it. Make a decision and don't listen to anyone or anything that contradicts your answer.
      Sincerely your sibling.

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    2. I have a limited understanding of the bible but your comment made me think of Jesus dinning with the tax payers, unlike Jesus we should leave internet trolls like the disciples shunned the taxpayer. Where in the bible does it say we are "nobody".? I'm just trying to learn. My Father said what? again where is this in the bible where does is say to do what I feel is intuitively right? I did pray on this and I felt I should ask you to clarify.

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  34. I guess Joyce and Joel are much preferred options in today's world. All yap and no bible.

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    1. I want to verify the claims of what SC teaches and what Reformed Thinkers say they teach first before I drag the bible to the witness stand.
      It appears these claims of what SC teaches need to be proven and clarified first. Only a fool reads one thing then creates another fool by regurgitation. Again just trying to learn. God bless us all.

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  35. Reformed thinker:
    I am old. I will die soon. So I read the bible as I have intermittently my whole life. I do not understand most of the bible. But I do have a good head for logic. I am an accomplished engineer. Given that, I need to understand your statements one at a time and proof them. I have watched the some of sections on Shepherds Chapel you noted only because you brought them to my attention. I have read your disputes to those teachings. So far the first that stands out is that you say the SC "cult" teaches that rapture is wrong and the Satan raptures away rapture believers. I found that he said the "Deceived" or confused will seek him (Satan posing as Jesus) because they believe in the rapture, they will run to Satan and ask others to do the same. Like the one in the field and one will be gone or leave to be seeking Satan. Very different from what you are claiming. I have other questions and logical contradictions you have stated but I do not want to be verbose. I am trying to learn and seek the truth objectively by reading the bible and considering all opinions. So far I am sad to say yours may be suffering from research bias and out of context claims. God bless us all.

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  36. I've been raised in the church all my life and know my Bible KJV. I also have a Talmud aka Old Jewish/Hebrew and Greek Bible. When I watched SC, red flags went up about how he was discerning the scriptures. If it's not in the Bible, then it's not truth. No where does it say anything about Eve having sex with Satan. The word Pastor Murray used was beguiled. That means to be tricked into believing something that's a lie, not having sex. It plainly speaks in the Bible that Adam knew us wife, meaning he was intimate (sex) and she conceived a son. And she thanked the Lord for giving her a man child. Then she had Able. In the beginning, God created man and woman told them to be fruitful and multiply. Genesis Chapter 1 is a narrative of all the things God had created. The next chapter goes into detail of what HE had done in detail. Pastor Murray was adding in his own ideas of what he thinks happened. No where in the Bible does it mention 3 world ages. I think people want to believe his teachings because it fits the watchers preconceived beliefs about their racism and bigotry. Now, if people read their Bible, they will see the truth that Pastor Murray's ideas were all his and not Biblical. Wow, Paul warned us about the cleverness of those teachings of man who add to the Bible. Don't be mislead. I'm 67 years young and a missionary now, after retiring. 2 Timothy 4:3-4. Ephesians 4:14-15....be careful people. It may sound good to you, but thats what the enemy does. He makes it all sound the way you want, something different, something new, blinding you to the truth. If it's not written in the Bible, (every word written by the men GOD chose to write them over 2000 years ago, then they are NOT our LORD GOD's words. Thank you

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  37. After reading all of your comments to each other, it looks like Satan did exactly what he wanted to do which was get diversion and the focus off of what we all want and that is for our brothers and sisters to be saved and to enter the kingdom of heaven. Stop all this bickering, it is worthless. This should not have gone on as long as it has in this feed! Stop responding and don't give the devil his foothold. God is standing up there shaking his head looking at his children wondering what just happened! Pastor Murray's intentions was to save people. Why would you try to shun that? They even said please do not ask any personal questions about any specific denomination in the teachings as they do not want to bash anybody. Remember that part?

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  38. I was led to SC by God when I asked for understanding of the Bible in more depth. I don't agree with your assertations. He does teach the trinity, is not racist and backs up his teachings by what is in the Bible. What he teaches make sense. It never made sense to me that Eve was created from Adam's rib. What? Did Adam have 3 ribs? No, Eve was created from Adam's DNA or ....curve which was stated as rib in the Bible because of it's shape and this knowledge was unknown to those who wrote the Book at the time. Don't assume that there are more people than not who don't appreciate his teachings.

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  39. Pastor Arnold Murray has taught me more in 5 years than all other preachers in my lifetime of 61 tears!! He teaches love and truth,, read it for yourself! He tells you exactly where to find his teachings. Thank God for Bro. Arnold Murray! Amen

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  41. Being subtle as SC is , they introduce their beliefs as other CULTS do . You must remember, RAT POISION contains 90% inert ingredients and 10% poision .... it's the 10% that does you in . Just today Dennis Murray referee to the 2 witness in ZEC 4:14 as same in Revelation ..WRONG again !
    When I called about this , the lady was very rude . Most people are when they don't want the truth ! We have to remember.. scripture interpets scripture , when NOTHING ELSE MAKES SENSE , use COMMON SENSE ! Twisted to suit Their needs , NOT GOD'S !

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  42. I believe as presented earlier, that Pastor Arnold Murray has answered these accusations by presenting the answers to the critic’s accusations which the reformed thinker is quoting. These popped up in the 80s and although they were convincing, it only took the studying of the scriptures to understand that the accusations were speculative. ALL ACCUSERS SHOULD READ IT! https://shepherdschapel.com/answers-to-the-critics/
    I already learned from the "two Houses of Israel” doctrine that the Lost Tribes are loss only to the ignorant, and not to God and to those who rightly divide the Word of God: by precept upon precept.
    I think the Pagan Christian Church has done much harm (yes Protestant, too) to the Gospel and the teaching of Jesus Christ by that long-ago Decree of Constantine that Christianity shall be the official religion of Rome.
    Many of us are coming away and replacing those pagan beliefs with the Feasts of God with The Feast of tabernacles, Passover and First Fruits, instead of pagan celebrations that were handed to us from the allowing of ALL beliefs to infiltrate into this “new founded religion” These doctrines have infiltrated into the Protestant churches as well. No wonder the Lord tarries
    As for the Trinity: Shepherds Chapel only confirmed my past Messianic Christian thought: God the Father (Yahweh- (YHVH), the Son (Yeshua HaMashiach -Jesus Christ the Anointed) and the Holy Spirit (Hebrew word Ruach) which is Life, Breath or wind and not understood as essence of a man,
    https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hebrew_Roots/Trinity/Holy_Spirit
    This doctrine, which is what Shepherd’s Chapel teaches, and can be no plainer as the Trinity!
    As for the White aspect. The fact that the 10 tribes were lost to man and NOT God, nor those who rightly divide the Word of God. These captured tribes of Northern Israel were scattered as the word stated, migrated to the Caucasus mountains and has nothing to do with Racism! Which is Satan's "Wildcard-bait" word to spread fire, hate and fury within the body of believers and nonbelievers alike.
    The House of Israel (Joseph—the stick of Ephraim—and to all the house of Israel associated with him.’(Those scattered abroad); and the House of Judah (The Jews) are the two sticks that God tells Ezekiel to hold together (Ezekiel 37:16) as a sign that He (God) will bring them back together.

    If the Reformed Thinker (whose article this is) is wrong on these aspects, then his entire document is tainted and should be recalled.

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  43. Thank you, Colby, for single-handedly analyzing Shepherd's Chapel and its doctrines. You raise issues and draw conclusions that every thinking Christian should weigh and study.

    Some of your detractors have tried to twist the truths you have presented. Others, just as Scientologists do, use multiple identities, sockpuppets, and other forum posting tactics to intimidate and discourage your efforts.

    I can only hope that you will continue with your important work. It DOES matter to the many (including me) who listened to Arnold Murray for years before discovering that the growing feeling of unease with his teachings was brought about by the conflicts with Scripture. Dr. Murray was a charismatic individual in his own, rustic way. But as you point out elsewhere, the road to salvation doesn't lie in following a man, it lies in correctly following the God's Word.

    Thank you for your work, and I hope that you continue, undiminished, in your effort to present clarity and truth to those whose hearts and minds are closed, in the hope that someday, they will listen. If it helps even one person to get their feet on the right path toward Christ, it will not have been in vain.

    And to those SC students and teachers who get "angry" with Colby about his analyses and discussions, remember that sometimes it's necessary to feel the heat to see the light.

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  45. Many things are going on in our world today. Study and obey Jesus. The Holy Ghost won't leave you out there even if you make a wrong turn or believe something not true. You will know the truth if you study and pray. I question any building I can't see inside of.( We are the church) to say you are going to church is not correct yet thousands say it every Sunday. Sunday worship has its origin in paganism so here we go. Trust Jesus pray for truth. Obey his word.

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    1. And when I say even if you make a wrong turn or believe something not true as a true Christian the Spirit will guide you back you desire the truth not just a man teaching you will seek the truth and turn from error true Christian. It's in your DNA. Eat the meat throw away the bones.

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  46. Never seen so many cry babies. i have the truth. NO, I have the truth, No, I has the truth. Don't sound like the body to me. sounds more like a lot a missing limbs. its no wonder so many new to the church turn away when this is all they hear and see. nothing but arguments of who's right and wrong. i say its better to get a taste of the word than starve. i know why we are called Gods children. Maybe Because we act like it ? Let God's word come to you how it may.How he chooses. pray on it and let Him lead you. Because obviously, we cant even lead ourselves. all we really can do is argue who's got the truth. News Flash. No one really does. only there own interpretation of it. and that my friends is the truth. Now excuse me. Bicker away oh ye saints and wise men. Reminds me of the first 37 chapters of Job. Finally God said get up from there Job and stop listening to these fools. AMEN...

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  47. ARNOLD MURRAY #1 BECAUSE he is the only real Pastor/ Teacher that ever was, that's reminds You constantly to NEVER listen to him LOL. However, he does Teach you to LISTEN to The Word :)
    And clearly, the author of this garbage has only heard and fallen into Mankind's Solicited Beliefs.

    Only one object on this planet that Hasn't changed, that just happens to be in a Museum, in the City of Peace lol in the land of Judeah / Praise The Protected Word of Almighty God :) just like Sesame Street lol one of these things is Not like All the others lol

    Strongly suggest to remove Your skull cap and Tattoo Collisions CH3 VS 1-11 right on your brain lol

    Could take the time to rebuke ALL Your rebukes lol but that Your mission lol and time is ticking quick for the repentance you are in Need of : ( I know, it sucks, but You did the crime :)

    For anyone else who reads this ( if it's not removed lol)

    In the Beginning was The Word and The Word was and still is to Get Over Death God the mission for All humans headed by The Light Christ Messiah and then there is Get Over Death God Almighty or Almighty God just one of Our Father Loves many titles in the Hebrew scriptures.

    13 intermingling tribes of Isreal intermingling with the Gentiles Nations of the world with the tribes of Judah and Levi joining in AFTER the birth of the Christ Messiah Light in the flesh LOL making All of US mongrels in the flesh LOL BUT we are supposed to be One in The Light oh Isrealites.

    Christianity is not an identity, a business or a popularity contest, Christianity is The Universal Government of Always be Fair, Guenuinely Care and Always Share and as Always ( Temporarily) if Possible that we are to Practice 24 7 365 until it is Re- Established by Our Father Loves Annointed One and The Christ Messiah Light is Actual Factual Historical Reality.

    For broad and wide are the paths to destruction concerning True Origin Heritage ( the Solicited theories philosophies and beliefs of mankind) But straight and narrow is the path to The Light, For I put a flaming sword truth Eastward in what was once Eden Paradise that No man can Pass Over Reality Rock On

    And The Gospel Good News is, We Pass Over we don't die lol Never believe that Solicited Lie, The Annointed One Defeated Death and freed the first batch of prisoners in hell, right in front of Satan's Deaths face Reality Rock On

    The Song of The Lamb /// Why is it that it seemeth like the wicked always do prosperth? Do not Worry, their foot Shall slide in due time. "
    Now that the Bible is mostly History now, instead of Prophecy, one can Truly state;
    Trade Routes, Economics and War, their foot has already slidden 7 times Before and half way through this one, FOREVERMORE Stay Strong in The Light Everybody

    Etc, etc,....... Sooo much more :)

    Dear, Dear, Dear, Pastor Arnold Murray, a very dear freind, that I haven't even met in person, YET :)

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  48. You poor non-male soul. Once you leave your responsible position as high priest in your household; ie allow your wife to dictate to you what is to be your family doctrine, you cannot possibly have eyes that see and ears that hear. You can only gimmick what someone else has told you which is the same inner desire that you had when you sought out Pastor Murray. You cannot put new wine into old wine-skins; not even in 2020. May the Lord God open your eyes my brother

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  49. Murray was a strange man that had a demonic grip on flock of people that must have been searching for something to follow, not knowing what or who. Very sad to see people so deceived as these shepherds chapel folks.

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    1. What did pastor Murray teach that was incorrect?
      Do you not believe in the Hebrew manuscripts in the Greek manuscripts?
      Do you believe in the dead sea scrolls?

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  50. God gave clear and precise instructions. Think of the building of the ark and the building of His Temple. All of His instructions for that were clear and precise. So, when God was giving instructions to Adam and Eve, He gave clear and precise instructions. He did not refer to the devil or other people in the garden as trees. God said trees and that's what they were. God told them not only don't eat the fruit, don't even touch it. God said fruit and fruit is what he meant; clear and precise instruction.

    The reason I'm in researching this is because it is causing separation between me and my husband. My husband won't go to any other Church and wanted to move to Gravette, Arkansas. I would call Shepherd's Chapel a cult. They teach heresy with some truth; even the devil can do that.

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    1. Your husband is on the right track. Satan is trying to get a grip on you.

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  51. Colby,
    Why do you argue that Cain is not the son of Satan? All you have to do is read Adam’s genealogy. Cain is not listed as Adam’s offspring. Cain’s genealogy is in a different verse. Sounds like your wife steered you wrong. Sound like the story of Eve and Adam all over again?
    Ann

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    1. "As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines or devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculation rather than the stewardship of God’s work, which is by faith." 1 timothy 1:3, 4.

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    2. Shepherd's chapel is a cult because it is centered around one man, who majors on "endless genealogies" in order to generate such false doctrines like Eve having sex with Satan, which is not taught anywhere in the Old Testament or the New Testament.

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  52. How can you say that Kane is Adam's son when hes not in Adam's genealogy? Please answer this question. Hes in chapter 5 in Genesis

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  53. Shepherd's chapel is a cult, as a cult is always centered around one man--Arnold Murray--and now Arnold's son, Dennis, since Arnold has passed away. A 2nd sign of a cult is that they major on having the "hidden knowledge" the "true secrets" to understanding the Scriptures... like teaching that Satan had sex with Eve, which is not taught anywhere in the Old Testament or the New Testament. Of course people who are carnally minded to begin with, will read into the Scriptures what is already hidden in their own hearts. This teaching by the Murrays' about Eve having sex with Satan is a clear indication where they hearts really are, eager to draw in those who are likewise carnally minded.


    Anyway, thank you for exposing “shepherds chapel” for what it really is….a cult that is centered on a fallible, man.(Pope Murray). Sad. By the way, nowhere in the New Testament are any congregations referred to as“shepherds chapel.” Like many of his doctrines, Arnold Murray came up with this name all by himself.

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